May international wikipedias have a different power structure than the english one ?
Will all the stewards currently listed on meta have these powers over all wikipedias or just the english one ?
Do they need to have knowledge of sql queries and linux stuff ?
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Anthere wrote:
May international wikipedias have a different power structure than the english one ?
I think that each project should have its own structure, not just the international wikipedias.
Will all the stewards currently listed on meta have these powers over all wikipedias or just the english one ?
I looked through that and I found it unclear. I'm not quite sure what the correct term is anymore. "Steward" seems acceptable, as is the present "bureaucrat". "Honorary developer" strikes me as misleading.
I agree with Tim that developers should not be meddling in the politics of the individual projects. Doing so can damage their credibility. I agree with the duties that Tim would allocate to developers, though I would add to that the duty to deal with bug issues and other technical matters. Since their are not enough developers to allow each project to have its own private developer, each project should have at least one of the developers be its "assigned" developer. That developer would have the task of occasionally reviewing bug reports on the project, and attempting to deal with them. If he finds himself being asked "political" questions his only option would be to refer those question to the appropriate person - most likely the bureaucrat for the project.
In a new project the developer is also both a sysop and a bureaucrat. It is in his own best interest to delegate these powers as soon as possible. (Note: I prefer to avoid semantic distinctions between "rights" and "powers")
Each project should have at least one bureaucrat, and that bureaucrat rights should be assigned on a per project basis. This does not prevent a project from having more than one bureaucrat. Being a bureaucrat on the tamil wikipedia would be pointless is I don't understand Tamil.
The key asset that a bureaucrat brings to a project is the ability to view the project at the big picture level. Like the chief justice of a court or the speaker of a legislature, his vote counts for no more than that of his coleagues. He is just there to insure that things get done, and if one of those tasks is creating further sysops, it can become clear to the members that he will carry out the will of the members when so asked. A modicum of mediation skills and common sense can be helpful to a person in this position.
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Anthere wrote:
May international wikipedias have a different power structure than the english one ?
It depends whether you mean a different technical power structure or a different effective power structure. If you want, say, sysops to be able to desysop and create sysops on fr, but on en you want another level of power to handle that, then at the moment that is not possible. However, a feature such as that is planned.
Specifically, I want to allow some set of users to configure the power structure on their wiki, using the web UI.
Of course, you can always have a different effective power structure. For example you could give all sysops on fr bureaucrat access, and leave the developer tasks to Shaihulud.
Will all the stewards currently listed on meta have these powers over all wikipedias or just the english one ?
All. That's why there should only be a very small number of them. The bulk of the administration should be local to each wiki. Everyone should head down to meta and vote "oppose" on a few nominations.
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developer_access
Do they need to have knowledge of sql queries and linux stuff ?
No.
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