This is a message to all Wikipedia and Wikimedia corporation personnel, Wikipedia is declining. We need to do something to rejuvenate our project. We need to remember our goal, to create a library of all human knowledge and progress. Peoples view of the project is negative. Wikipedia has become the butt of many jokes. We need to refocus. We need to have a massive PR maneuver to change the public view of us. We need to put aside opinions, beliefs, political, and language barriers and come together to achieve our goal. This will lower vandalism.
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Tanji Akter tanji.akter31@gmail.comwrote:
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Hoi,
Sadly there are some naysayers .... there are also people who see things improve.
Notable improvements happen here:
- visual editor - wikipedia zero - wikidata
In my opinion they have the potential to change our way of work and our reach.
Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2013 16:32, Akhil Mulgaonker liberalufp@gmail.com wrote:
This is a message to all Wikipedia and Wikimedia corporation personnel, Wikipedia is declining. We need to do something to rejuvenate our project. We need to remember our goal, to create a library of all human knowledge and progress. Peoples view of the project is negative. Wikipedia has become the butt of many jokes. We need to refocus. We need to have a massive PR maneuver to change the public view of us. We need to put aside opinions, beliefs, political, and language barriers and come together to achieve our goal. This will lower vandalism.
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Tanji Akter <tanji.akter31@gmail.com
wrote:
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
-- *AKHIL MULGAONKER * _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
What about PR? What have been done in this regard?
Amqui On Oct 25, 2013 8:44 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
Sadly there are some naysayers .... there are also people who see things improve.
Notable improvements happen here:
- visual editor
- wikipedia zero
- wikidata
In my opinion they have the potential to change our way of work and our reach.
Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2013 16:32, Akhil Mulgaonker liberalufp@gmail.com wrote:
This is a message to all Wikipedia and Wikimedia corporation personnel, Wikipedia is declining. We need to do something to rejuvenate our
project.
We need to remember our goal, to create a library of all human knowledge and progress. Peoples view of the project is negative. Wikipedia has
become
the butt of many jokes. We need to refocus. We need to have a massive PR maneuver to change the public view of us. We need to put aside opinions, beliefs, political, and language barriers and come together to achieve
our
goal. This will lower vandalism.
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Tanji Akter <tanji.akter31@gmail.com
wrote:
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
-- *AKHIL MULGAONKER * _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Hoi,
This is what the BBC has to say ... today... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24662267 Gerard
On 25 October 2013 18:04, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com wrote:
What about PR? What have been done in this regard?
Amqui On Oct 25, 2013 8:44 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
Sadly there are some naysayers .... there are also people who see things improve.
Notable improvements happen here:
- visual editor
- wikipedia zero
- wikidata
In my opinion they have the potential to change our way of work and our reach.
Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2013 16:32, Akhil Mulgaonker liberalufp@gmail.com wrote:
This is a message to all Wikipedia and Wikimedia corporation personnel, Wikipedia is declining. We need to do something to rejuvenate our
project.
We need to remember our goal, to create a library of all human
knowledge
and progress. Peoples view of the project is negative. Wikipedia has
become
the butt of many jokes. We need to refocus. We need to have a massive
PR
maneuver to change the public view of us. We need to put aside
opinions,
beliefs, political, and language barriers and come together to achieve
our
goal. This will lower vandalism.
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Tanji Akter <tanji.akter31@gmail.com
wrote:
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
-- *AKHIL MULGAONKER * _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
This is about Wikipedia Zero in particular, but what has been done by WMF's PR section about Wikipedia in general and its image with the general public?
Amqui On Oct 25, 2013 10:36 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
This is what the BBC has to say ... today... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24662267 Gerard
On 25 October 2013 18:04, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com wrote:
What about PR? What have been done in this regard?
Amqui On Oct 25, 2013 8:44 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
Sadly there are some naysayers .... there are also people who see
things
improve.
Notable improvements happen here:
- visual editor
- wikipedia zero
- wikidata
In my opinion they have the potential to change our way of work and our reach.
Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2013 16:32, Akhil Mulgaonker liberalufp@gmail.com
wrote:
This is a message to all Wikipedia and Wikimedia corporation
personnel,
Wikipedia is declining. We need to do something to rejuvenate our
project.
We need to remember our goal, to create a library of all human
knowledge
and progress. Peoples view of the project is negative. Wikipedia has
become
the butt of many jokes. We need to refocus. We need to have a massive
PR
maneuver to change the public view of us. We need to put aside
opinions,
beliefs, political, and language barriers and come together to
achieve
our
goal. This will lower vandalism.
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Tanji Akter <
tanji.akter31@gmail.com
wrote:
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
-- *AKHIL MULGAONKER * _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Hoi,
I mentioned three things ... When you are interested in if the Wikipedia gets mentioned in the news.. look at the BBC again and look at what it has to say. http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=wikipedia I am not complaining.
I even go a step further, I mention the things that I think are positive regularly on my blog. If anything there is so much that people can do that will have a positive impact. At that I tend to move away from negative encounters. Typically they are not worth it. Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2013 18:51, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com wrote:
This is about Wikipedia Zero in particular, but what has been done by WMF's PR section about Wikipedia in general and its image with the general public?
Amqui On Oct 25, 2013 10:36 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
This is what the BBC has to say ... today... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24662267 Gerard
On 25 October 2013 18:04, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com wrote:
What about PR? What have been done in this regard?
Amqui On Oct 25, 2013 8:44 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi,
Sadly there are some naysayers .... there are also people who see
things
improve.
Notable improvements happen here:
- visual editor
- wikipedia zero
- wikidata
In my opinion they have the potential to change our way of work and
our
reach.
Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2013 16:32, Akhil Mulgaonker liberalufp@gmail.com
wrote:
This is a message to all Wikipedia and Wikimedia corporation
personnel,
Wikipedia is declining. We need to do something to rejuvenate our
project.
We need to remember our goal, to create a library of all human
knowledge
and progress. Peoples view of the project is negative. Wikipedia
has
become
the butt of many jokes. We need to refocus. We need to have a
massive
PR
maneuver to change the public view of us. We need to put aside
opinions,
beliefs, political, and language barriers and come together to
achieve
our
goal. This will lower vandalism.
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Tanji Akter <
tanji.akter31@gmail.com
wrote:
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
-- *AKHIL MULGAONKER * _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
The best response to complaints and criticism is PR is it?
How about correcting the faults people have gone to the trouble of identifying for you, instead of trying to disguise them?
JJ
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi,
I mentioned three things ... When you are interested in if the Wikipedia gets mentioned in the news.. look at the BBC again and look at what it has to say. http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=wikipedia I am not complaining.
I even go a step further, I mention the things that I think are positive regularly on my blog. If anything there is so much that people can do that will have a positive impact. At that I tend to move away from negative encounters. Typically they are not worth it. Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2013 18:51, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com wrote:
This is about Wikipedia Zero in particular, but what has been done by
WMF's
PR section about Wikipedia in general and its image with the general public?
Amqui On Oct 25, 2013 10:36 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
This is what the BBC has to say ... today... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24662267 Gerard
On 25 October 2013 18:04, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com wrote:
What about PR? What have been done in this regard?
Amqui On Oct 25, 2013 8:44 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi,
Sadly there are some naysayers .... there are also people who see
things
improve.
Notable improvements happen here:
- visual editor
- wikipedia zero
- wikidata
In my opinion they have the potential to change our way of work and
our
reach.
Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2013 16:32, Akhil Mulgaonker liberalufp@gmail.com
wrote:
This is a message to all Wikipedia and Wikimedia corporation
personnel,
Wikipedia is declining. We need to do something to rejuvenate our
project.
We need to remember our goal, to create a library of all human
knowledge
and progress. Peoples view of the project is negative. Wikipedia
has
become
the butt of many jokes. We need to refocus. We need to have a
massive
PR
maneuver to change the public view of us. We need to put aside
opinions,
beliefs, political, and language barriers and come together to
achieve
our
goal. This will lower vandalism.
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Tanji Akter <
tanji.akter31@gmail.com
>wrote:
> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikipedia-l mailing list > Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l >
-- *AKHIL MULGAONKER * _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 11:43 AM, John Jackson strangetruther@gmail.comwrote:
The best response to complaints and criticism is PR is it?
How about correcting the faults people have gone to the trouble of identifying for you, instead of trying to disguise them?
JJ
Um, I'm not sure someone who calls Wikimedians psychopaths and suggests they should be fired from their jobs is qualified to comment about anything Wikimedia-related, nor should anyone concern themselves with correcting any faults you've pointed out.
Hoi,
The best response to complaints and criticism is for the people that complain and criticise to be invited to be part of the solution. SOFIXIT is the mantra that brought us a lot of good. YES, I find it important that people are aware of the things that are dear to me. I blog about them and I do not only blog about them. I do what I can to make a difference. I edit in Wikidata on subjects that are relevant and do not get the attention they deserve. I do invite people to work on fixes for templates that need fixing in a Wikipedia and I do showcase why the Occitan Wikipedia is at the forefront of getting our information out.
PR is important and makes a difference, people need to see that work is done. People need to see that things progress. And really JJ you can make a difference too when you know so well what work needs to be done. When you think there is nothing that you can do, I am sure we can find something for you that makes a difference in the things you care for. First thing is for you to know what you care for and how much you want to involve yourself. Thanks, GerardM
On 28 October 2013 16:43, John Jackson strangetruther@gmail.com wrote:
The best response to complaints and criticism is PR is it?
How about correcting the faults people have gone to the trouble of identifying for you, instead of trying to disguise them?
JJ
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi,
I mentioned three things ... When you are interested in if the Wikipedia gets mentioned in the news.. look at the BBC again and look at what it
has
to say. http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=wikipedia I am not complaining.
I even go a step further, I mention the things that I think are positive regularly on my blog. If anything there is so much that people can do
that
will have a positive impact. At that I tend to move away from negative encounters. Typically they are not worth it. Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2013 18:51, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com wrote:
This is about Wikipedia Zero in particular, but what has been done by
WMF's
PR section about Wikipedia in general and its image with the general public?
Amqui On Oct 25, 2013 10:36 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
This is what the BBC has to say ... today... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24662267 Gerard
On 25 October 2013 18:04, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com wrote:
What about PR? What have been done in this regard?
Amqui On Oct 25, 2013 8:44 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi,
Sadly there are some naysayers .... there are also people who see
things
improve.
Notable improvements happen here:
- visual editor
- wikipedia zero
- wikidata
In my opinion they have the potential to change our way of work
and
our
reach.
Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2013 16:32, Akhil Mulgaonker <liberalufp@gmail.com
wrote:
> This is a message to all Wikipedia and Wikimedia corporation
personnel,
> Wikipedia is declining. We need to do something to rejuvenate
our
project. > We need to remember our goal, to create a library of all human
knowledge
> and progress. Peoples view of the project is negative.
Wikipedia
has
become > the butt of many jokes. We need to refocus. We need to have a
massive
PR
> maneuver to change the public view of us. We need to put aside
opinions,
> beliefs, political, and language barriers and come together to
achieve
our > goal. This will lower vandalism. > > > On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 8:02 PM, Tanji Akter <
tanji.akter31@gmail.com
> >wrote: > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikipedia-l mailing list > > Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > > > > > > -- > *AKHIL MULGAONKER * > _______________________________________________ > Wikipedia-l mailing list > Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Pr is supposed to educate the world what wikipedia is all about.
On Monday, October 28, 2013, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
The best response to complaints and criticism is for the people that complain and criticise to be invited to be part of the solution. SOFIXIT is the mantra that brought us a lot of good. YES, I find it important that people are aware of the things that are dear to me. I blog about them and I do not only blog about them. I do what I can to make a difference. I edit in Wikidata on subjects that are relevant and do not get the attention they deserve. I do invite people to work on fixes for templates that need fixing in a Wikipedia and I do showcase why the Occitan Wikipedia is at the forefront of getting our information out.
PR is important and makes a difference, people need to see that work is done. People need to see that things progress. And really JJ you can make a difference too when you know so well what work needs to be done. When you think there is nothing that you can do, I am sure we can find something for you that makes a difference in the things you care for. First thing is for you to know what you care for and how much you want to involve yourself. Thanks, GerardM
On 28 October 2013 16:43, John Jackson strangetruther@gmail.com wrote:
The best response to complaints and criticism is PR is it?
How about correcting the faults people have gone to the trouble of identifying for you, instead of trying to disguise them?
JJ
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi,
I mentioned three things ... When you are interested in if the
Wikipedia
gets mentioned in the news.. look at the BBC again and look at what it
has
to say. http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=wikipedia I am not complaining.
I even go a step further, I mention the things that I think are
positive
regularly on my blog. If anything there is so much that people can do
that
will have a positive impact. At that I tend to move away from negative encounters. Typically they are not worth it. Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2013 18:51, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com wrote:
This is about Wikipedia Zero in particular, but what has been done by
WMF's
PR section about Wikipedia in general and its image with the general public?
Amqui On Oct 25, 2013 10:36 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
This is what the BBC has to say ... today... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24662267 Gerard
On 25 October 2013 18:04, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com wrote:
What about PR? What have been done in this regard?
Amqui On Oct 25, 2013 8:44 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
> Hoi, > > Sadly there are some naysayers .... there are also people who
see
things
> improve. > > Notable improvements happen here: > > - visual editor > - wikipedia zero > - wikidata > > In my opinion they have the potential to change our way of work
and
our
> reach. > > Thanks, > GerardM > > > On 25 October 2013 16:32, Akhil Mulgaonker <
liberalufp@gmail.com
wrote:
> > > This is a message to all Wikipedia and Wikimedia corporation
personnel,
> > Wikipedia is declining. We need to do something to rejuvenate
our
> project. > > We need to remember our goal, to create a library of all
human
knowledge > > and progress. Peoples view of the pr
...or not about.
JP
2013/10/28 Akhil Mulgaonker liberalufp@gmail.com
Pr is supposed to educate the world what wikipedia is all about.
On Monday, October 28, 2013, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
The best response to complaints and criticism is for the people that complain and criticise to be invited to be part of the solution. SOFIXIT
is
the mantra that brought us a lot of good. YES, I find it important that people are aware of the things that are dear to me. I blog about them
and I
do not only blog about them. I do what I can to make a difference. I edit in Wikidata on subjects that are relevant and do not get the attention
they
deserve. I do invite people to work on fixes for templates that need
fixing
in a Wikipedia and I do showcase why the Occitan Wikipedia is at the forefront of getting our information out.
PR is important and makes a difference, people need to see that work is done. People need to see that things progress. And really JJ you can
make a
difference too when you know so well what work needs to be done. When you think there is nothing that you can do, I am sure we can find something
for
you that makes a difference in the things you care for. First thing is
for
you to know what you care for and how much you want to involve yourself. Thanks, GerardM
On 28 October 2013 16:43, John Jackson strangetruther@gmail.com wrote:
The best response to complaints and criticism is PR is it?
How about correcting the faults people have gone to the trouble of identifying for you, instead of trying to disguise them?
JJ
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi,
I mentioned three things ... When you are interested in if the
Wikipedia
gets mentioned in the news.. look at the BBC again and look at what
it
has
to say. http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=wikipedia I am not complaining.
I even go a step further, I mention the things that I think are
positive
regularly on my blog. If anything there is so much that people can do
that
will have a positive impact. At that I tend to move away from
negative
encounters. Typically they are not worth it. Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2013 18:51, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com wrote:
This is about Wikipedia Zero in particular, but what has been done
by
WMF's
PR section about Wikipedia in general and its image with the
general
public?
Amqui On Oct 25, 2013 10:36 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
This is what the BBC has to say ... today... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24662267 Gerard
On 25 October 2013 18:04, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com
wrote:
> What about PR? What have been done in this regard? > > Amqui > On Oct 25, 2013 8:44 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
> wrote: > > > Hoi, > > > > Sadly there are some naysayers .... there are also people who
see
things > > improve. > > > > Notable improvements happen here: > > > > - visual editor > > - wikipedia zero > > - wikidata > > > > In my opinion they have the potential to change our way of
work
and
our
> > reach. > > > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > > > On 25 October 2013 16:32, Akhil Mulgaonker <
liberalufp@gmail.com
wrote: > > > > > This is a message to all Wikipedia and Wikimedia
corporation
personnel, > > > Wikipedia is declining. We need to do something to
rejuvenate
our
> > project. > > > We need to remember our goal, to create a library of all
human
> knowledge > > > and progress. Peoples view of the pr
-- *AKHIL MULGAONKER * _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
Answering Nathan Awrich:
My blog reply: http://bit.ly/HwaYsr
No-one on this list has shown that they understand the concept of the possibility of Wikipedia actually doing anything wrong, nor of the concept of responding to outside comments in any way other than spin. If someone pointed out an obvious bad rust attack on your car, you'd never consider any response other than painting over it.
And again, EVEN WHEN I'VE POINTED OUT THE PROBLEM, you STILL don't see it. ...Even though it would be obvious beforehand to any civilised person that no worthwhile organisation could treat criticisms from outside as always irrelevant.
Didn't someone hail "democracy" as an asset of Wikipedia? That would be democracy of those INSIDE it then; outsiders don't count and aren't worth listening to - ever... whoever they are.
Awrich: attempting to grab the world's knowledge, then endorsing the complete removal of obviously correct contributions made by a genuine and qualified scientific researcher because of one or two Wiki-fiddlers qualified with nothing but pretty stars, is a stupidly destructive act. When Putin does something that bad he looks cynically around to show people how little he cares... but you don't seem even to notice you've done it.
And when a genuine misdemeanour is pointed out, IT'S THE CULPRIT WHO IS IN THE WRONG NOT THE WHISTLEBLOWER. Keep making that mistake with me and you'll end up even more sore.
Wikipedia is using the clumsy culture, morals and intellect of a kindergarten gang to degrade the world's knowledge and shackle its growth. Watching this is like watching the Nazis march into Paris, or the barbarians burning the library at Alexandria. We've learned that the response to such actions is not regret but attack. If you ever learn anything, you're going to learn to respect integrity and intellectuality.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:45 AM, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com wrote:
...or not about.
JP
2013/10/28 Akhil Mulgaonker liberalufp@gmail.com
Pr is supposed to educate the world what wikipedia is all about.
On Monday, October 28, 2013, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
The best response to complaints and criticism is for the people that complain and criticise to be invited to be part of the solution.
SOFIXIT
is
the mantra that brought us a lot of good. YES, I find it important that people are aware of the things that are dear to me. I blog about them
and I
do not only blog about them. I do what I can to make a difference. I
edit
in Wikidata on subjects that are relevant and do not get the attention
they
deserve. I do invite people to work on fixes for templates that need
fixing
in a Wikipedia and I do showcase why the Occitan Wikipedia is at the forefront of getting our information out.
PR is important and makes a difference, people need to see that work is done. People need to see that things progress. And really JJ you can
make a
difference too when you know so well what work needs to be done. When
you
think there is nothing that you can do, I am sure we can find something
for
you that makes a difference in the things you care for. First thing is
for
you to know what you care for and how much you want to involve
yourself.
Thanks, GerardM
On 28 October 2013 16:43, John Jackson strangetruther@gmail.com
wrote:
The best response to complaints and criticism is PR is it?
How about correcting the faults people have gone to the trouble of identifying for you, instead of trying to disguise them?
JJ
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi,
I mentioned three things ... When you are interested in if the
Wikipedia
gets mentioned in the news.. look at the BBC again and look at what
it
has
to say. http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=wikipedia I am not complaining.
I even go a step further, I mention the things that I think are
positive
regularly on my blog. If anything there is so much that people can
do
that
will have a positive impact. At that I tend to move away from
negative
encounters. Typically they are not worth it. Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2013 18:51, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com wrote:
This is about Wikipedia Zero in particular, but what has been
done
by
WMF's
PR section about Wikipedia in general and its image with the
general
public?
Amqui On Oct 25, 2013 10:36 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hoi, > > This is what the BBC has to say ... today... > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24662267 > Gerard > > > On 25 October 2013 18:04, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com
wrote:
> > > What about PR? What have been done in this regard? > > > > Amqui > > On Oct 25, 2013 8:44 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
> > > wrote: > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > Sadly there are some naysayers .... there are also people
who
see
> things > > > improve. > > > > > > Notable improvements happen here: > > > > > > - visual editor > > > - wikipedia zero > > > - wikidata > > > > > > In my opinion they have the potential to change our way of
work
and
our > > > reach. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > On 25 October 2013 16:32, Akhil Mulgaonker <
liberalufp@gmail.com
> wrote: > > > > > > > This is a message to all Wikipedia and Wikimedia
corporation
> personnel, > > > > Wikipedia is declining. We need to do something to
rejuvenate
our
> > > project. > > > > We need to remember our goal, to create a library of all
human
> > knowledge > > > > and progress. Peoples view of the pr
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Can't we all just get along?
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 10:25 AM, John Jackson strangetruther@gmail.comwrote:
Answering Nathan Awrich:
My blog reply: http://bit.ly/HwaYsr
No-one on this list has shown that they understand the concept of the possibility of Wikipedia actually doing anything wrong, nor of the concept of responding to outside comments in any way other than spin. If someone pointed out an obvious bad rust attack on your car, you'd never consider any response other than painting over it.
And again, EVEN WHEN I'VE POINTED OUT THE PROBLEM, you STILL don't see it. ...Even though it would be obvious beforehand to any civilised person that no worthwhile organisation could treat criticisms from outside as always irrelevant.
Didn't someone hail "democracy" as an asset of Wikipedia? That would be democracy of those INSIDE it then; outsiders don't count and aren't worth listening to - ever... whoever they are.
Awrich: attempting to grab the world's knowledge, then endorsing the complete removal of obviously correct contributions made by a genuine and qualified scientific researcher because of one or two Wiki-fiddlers qualified with nothing but pretty stars, is a stupidly destructive act. When Putin does something that bad he looks cynically around to show people how little he cares... but you don't seem even to notice you've done it.
And when a genuine misdemeanour is pointed out, IT'S THE CULPRIT WHO IS IN THE WRONG NOT THE WHISTLEBLOWER. Keep making that mistake with me and you'll end up even more sore.
Wikipedia is using the clumsy culture, morals and intellect of a kindergarten gang to degrade the world's knowledge and shackle its growth. Watching this is like watching the Nazis march into Paris, or the barbarians burning the library at Alexandria. We've learned that the response to such actions is not regret but attack. If you ever learn anything, you're going to learn to respect integrity and intellectuality.
On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 3:45 AM, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com wrote:
...or not about.
JP
2013/10/28 Akhil Mulgaonker liberalufp@gmail.com
Pr is supposed to educate the world what wikipedia is all about.
On Monday, October 28, 2013, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
The best response to complaints and criticism is for the people that complain and criticise to be invited to be part of the solution.
SOFIXIT
is
the mantra that brought us a lot of good. YES, I find it important
that
people are aware of the things that are dear to me. I blog about them
and I
do not only blog about them. I do what I can to make a difference. I
edit
in Wikidata on subjects that are relevant and do not get the
attention
they
deserve. I do invite people to work on fixes for templates that need
fixing
in a Wikipedia and I do showcase why the Occitan Wikipedia is at the forefront of getting our information out.
PR is important and makes a difference, people need to see that work
is
done. People need to see that things progress. And really JJ you can
make a
difference too when you know so well what work needs to be done. When
you
think there is nothing that you can do, I am sure we can find
something
for
you that makes a difference in the things you care for. First thing
is
for
you to know what you care for and how much you want to involve
yourself.
Thanks, GerardM
On 28 October 2013 16:43, John Jackson strangetruther@gmail.com
wrote:
The best response to complaints and criticism is PR is it?
How about correcting the faults people have gone to the trouble of identifying for you, instead of trying to disguise them?
JJ
On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 6:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi,
I mentioned three things ... When you are interested in if the
Wikipedia
gets mentioned in the news.. look at the BBC again and look at
what
it
has
to say. http://www.bbc.co.uk/search/news/?q=wikipedia I am not complaining.
I even go a step further, I mention the things that I think are
positive
regularly on my blog. If anything there is so much that people
can
do
that
will have a positive impact. At that I tend to move away from
negative
encounters. Typically they are not worth it. Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2013 18:51, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com
wrote:
> This is about Wikipedia Zero in particular, but what has been
done
by
WMF's > PR section about Wikipedia in general and its image with the
general
> public? > > Amqui > On Oct 25, 2013 10:36 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
> wrote: > > > Hoi, > > > > This is what the BBC has to say ... today... > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24662267 > > Gerard > > > > > > On 25 October 2013 18:04, JP Béland lebo.beland@gmail.com
wrote:
> > > > > What about PR? What have been done in this regard? > > > > > > Amqui > > > On Oct 25, 2013 8:44 AM, "Gerard Meijssen" < gerard.meijssen@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > > > Sadly there are some naysayers .... there are also people
who
see
> > things > > > > improve. > > > > > > > > Notable improvements happen here: > > > > > > > > - visual editor > > > > - wikipedia zero > > > > - wikidata > > > > > > > > In my opinion they have the potential to change our way
of
work
and
> our > > > > reach. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > > > On 25 October 2013 16:32, Akhil Mulgaonker <
liberalufp@gmail.com
> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > This is a message to all Wikipedia and Wikimedia
corporation
> > personnel, > > > > > Wikipedia is declining. We need to do something to
rejuvenate
our
> > > > project. > > > > > We need to remember our goal, to create a library of
all
human
> > > knowledge > > > > > and progress. Peoples view of the pr
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I liked the idea of dueling blog posts. Here's mine: http://www.khmalye.com/2013/11/john-v-jackson-and-hazards-of-being.html
Topics are Jackson and his history with Wikipedia and pseudoscience, harassment of Wikipedians and what, if anything, members of the Wikimedia community can do to protect or support people who have been targeted by harassment.
"Didn't someone hail "democracy" as an asset of Wikipedia?"
No. In fact, everywhere you'll turn you'll see statements that say the exact opposite. We have whole sections of the most basic documents outlining this. Like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:DEM
"Wikipedia hates experts."
The Wiki is all about *love* not hate.
We even love the people that post links to their mail lists calling them all "wankers".
But you know what love even more?
We *really* love that the content in question mentioned in a reliable, reputable, 3rd party, non-self-published resource.
We *love* our citations.
And this is precisely why the Wiki *isn't* a democracy. It doesn't make a difference how many people "vote" for something, it's either properly cited, or its not.
Period.
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