In some recent messages, it was suggested to distribute OGG code.
An equal deserving cause are fonts to obscure (to me) fonts. I have been working on wiktionary and in the process I have had to find fonts for Khmer, Georgian, Cherokee and a few others. I have no clue if I have the best fonts in the ones that I picked/found.
By adopting fonts and promoting them, we stimulate the development of fonts, some cannot be had for free afaik like Etruscan.
The aim of Wikipedia is to share all the knowledge, this means that the knowledge must be visible. Promoting good free fonts and making them easily available is one way.
Thanks, GerardM
Gerard.Meijssen pravi:
The aim of Wikipedia is to share all the knowledge, this means that the knowledge must be visible. Promoting good free fonts and making them easily available is one way.
As it turn out there are problems with finding good *and* free fonts. This is an attempt of a fellow Wikipedian Primož Peterlin and others:
http://www.nongnu.org/freefont/ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/freefont/
Roman Maurer wrote:
As it turn out there are problems with finding good *and* free fonts. This is an attempt of a fellow Wikipedian Primož Peterlin and others:
http://www.nongnu.org/freefont/ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/freefont/
Files section seems empty, last news from 2002...
On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 12:03:15AM +0200, Ralesk Ne'vennoyx wrote:
http://www.nongnu.org/freefont/ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/freefont/
Files section seems empty, last news from 2002...
See te CVS (browse on the web on http://savannah.nongnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/freefont/freefont/ ).
g
Peter Gervai wrote:
On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 12:03:15AM +0200, Ralesk Ne'vennoyx wrote:
http://www.nongnu.org/freefont/ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/freefont/
Files section seems empty, last news from 2002...
See te CVS (browse on the web on http://savannah.nongnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/freefont/freefont/ ).
Although that's nice that that at least exists and works, I don’t believe that Average User, or even myself, should be forced to use CVS.
On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 12:47:27PM +0200, Ralesk Ne'vennoyx wrote:
Peter Gervai wrote:
On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 12:03:15AM +0200, Ralesk Ne'vennoyx wrote:
http://www.nongnu.org/freefont/ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/freefont/
Files section seems empty, last news from 2002...
See te CVS (browse on the web on http://savannah.nongnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/freefont/freefont/ ).
Although that's nice that that at least exists and works, I don?t believe that Average User, or even myself, should be forced to use CVS.
No way forced. You're not even forced to breath.
But those who choose to use the fonts can. And I believe the thread was about available and usable fonts and not "font sources for the mentally handicapped".
Forget it. I do not need fonts, you do not need fonts, so there is no point to argue. Those who do may decide to use the links provided or not.
Peter
Peter Gervai wrote:
On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 12:47:27PM +0200, Ralesk Ne'vennoyx wrote:
Peter Gervai wrote:
On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 12:03:15AM +0200, Ralesk Ne'vennoyx wrote:
http://www.nongnu.org/freefont/ http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/freefont/
Files section seems empty, last news from 2002...
See te CVS (browse on the web on http://savannah.nongnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/freefont/freefont/ ).
Although that's nice that that at least exists and works, I don?t believe that Average User, or even myself, should be forced to use CVS.
No way forced. You're not even forced to breath.
I know I know, it wasn’t a particularly good wording.
But I mean, as opposed to having it available via ftp or http. I mean, updating the damn site once in a blue moon that oops, hey, we don’t want to make release packs, don’t even try the files section, go use CVS. -- because this surely doesn’t take more than ten fricken minutes from the life of whoever has write access to the site.
I mean, I have to go, dig around, find that font is available via CVS as opposed to being a plain old download, and then fight my way through the CVS to find the newest version (yes, I’m being utterly evil here, but I don’t like having to nose around in CVS repositories).
Not to mention they only provide the sfd files and from there it’s DIY which isn’t particularly easy without having a UNIX-like system installed nearby. Which I do, but I’m damn lazy to boot over. And I’m not the world, so... Anyway, long live apt-get, I guess :P
And to go back to the original note that the last update of the site was two years ago, the newest font is 8 months old. Yes, I know it’s free. No, that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t complain. It’s almost as lively as The Hurd Project :P And, from what I’ve seen in Linux, the Freefonts definitely need some hinting job done on them (and/or freetype some whacking, because I’ve seen perfectly good fonts rendered terribly, but maybe that’s just my lazy eye that’s used to the readability of Windows and OS X).
But those who choose to use the fonts can. And I believe the thread was about available and usable fonts and not "font sources for the mentally handicapped".
There’s a whole lot of difference between “I don’t know what that link you gave me is” and “I don’t like to have to poke around in CVS, and whatever I listed above”. Please leave your Linuxite arrogance at home.
Forget it. I do not need fonts, you do not need fonts, so there is no point to argue. Those who do may decide to use the links provided or not.
Good point, but I hope you see the hurdles one has to jump over to get a ttf out of this.
Peter
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On Fri, Aug 13, 2004 at 01:37:39PM +0200, Ralesk Ne'vennoyx wrote:
Peter Gervai wrote:
See te CVS (browse on the web on http://savannah.nongnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/freefont/freefont/ ).
Although that's nice that that at least exists and works, I don?t believe that Average User, or even myself, should be forced to use CVS.
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Forget it. I do not need fonts, you do not need fonts, so there is no point to argue. Those who do may decide to use the links provided or not.
Good point, but I hope you see the hurdles one has to jump over to get a ttf out of this.
One have to click on the filenames, retrieve. Click on the tools, retrieve. Run them. Use the fonts.
You get what you have paid for. If you want to pay, I'll read the manuals instead of you for a fee, get the files instead of you for another, run them instead of you for more, and provide you the result for another reasonable sum of money. THEN you get what you've paid for, too.
My "Linux arrogance" means that I despise people who whine that they do not get the service they demand for free. I believe people either have to think and do, or stop whining and be selective of the input: if you're lazy (or stupid) then ignore the helpful links people give to you because they require work and thinking, and not start whining that it does not suit your high standards (for free, of course). Choose - silently - the ones you can handle (click-n-go ones, suit for "nice windows people" [as opposite of arrogant linux people {those who help I mean}]), and keep it secret that you won't use the others.
This way you don't disappoint others who tried to help, don't angry others who see that their help was not just rejected but complained upon.
And I reckon your reply did not serve any useful purposes as it did not contain any solutions. It showed that I am an ignorant arrogant linux bastard, who expects too much of the bright nice windows people, but that did not help anyone.
Oh, and THIS email was completely useless too. I'd advice people to google up the term "freefont", but then, it needs thinking and efforts, so I won't. I do not want to get another reply telling me that I cause poor bright nice fellas more work instead of the Right(tm)(r) solution.
But I know the REAL solution for you nice bright windows people: PAY. Buy the fonts you need and get the serivce. You did once, it'll do it again. If you need places where to buy, ask.
Peter
ps: sorry, I plan not to reply to replies of this stupid email of mine. if anyone requires reply I'll send it in personal email. best to ignore it altogether.
Roman Maurer wrote:
Gerard.Meijssen pravi:
The aim of Wikipedia is to share all the knowledge, this means that the knowledge must be visible. Promoting good free fonts and making them easily available is one way.
As it turn out there are problems with finding good *and* free fonts.
There is a good and free font, and I already mentioned how to find it. Google for "Code2000". http://home.att.net/~jameskass/
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