We met and then well-exceded the goal to raise $75,000 (USD) in this quarter's fund drive. See http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fund_drives/2005/Q1 for details (still waiting for final numbers in every source category so final grand total will be higher).
I consider 11:59 PM Monday 28 February 2005 (eastern US timezone since PayPal data are not available in UTC) as the official end of our fund drive for accounting purposes. As of right now though, all fund drive notes should be replaced by congratulatory messages that can be left until midnight on Thursday (UTC). After that, [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] should be blanked until the next fund drive.
For reference, here is the message displayed on the English Wikipedia:
<!-- this notice should stay until 12AM Thursday 11 March --> <div class="fundraising" id="fundraising" style="margin-top:5px;"> You did it! Thanks to your generosity we exceeded our fund drive goal by 15%. ([[wikimedia:Fund drives/2005/Q1|details]])<br> <small> Show your pride in Wikipedia by purchasing merchandise through [http://www.cafepress.com/wikipedia our Cafe Press shop]. </small> </div>
My regular home computer will not boot for some unknown reason, so I will not be able to run the Day 10 (Sunday) report at this time. Day 11 (Monday) will be the final report for this fund drive.
Daniel Mayer, Wikimedia CFO
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Hiya
I am properly amazed by the speed we reached our goal....10 days while we had planned 3 weeks ! It is really impressing. The good point is also that we can remove the fundraising banner so quickly ...
Mav, thanks *a lot* for your efficiency on the whole issue :-)
Ant
Daniel Mayer a écrit:
We met and then well-exceded the goal to raise $75,000 (USD) in this quarter's fund drive. See http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fund_drives/2005/Q1 for details (still waiting for final numbers in every source category so final grand total will be higher).
I consider 11:59 PM Monday 28 February 2005 (eastern US timezone since PayPal data are not available in UTC) as the official end of our fund drive for accounting purposes. As of right now though, all fund drive notes should be replaced by congratulatory messages that can be left until midnight on Thursday (UTC). After that, [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] should be blanked until the next fund drive.
For reference, here is the message displayed on the English Wikipedia:
<!-- this notice should stay until 12AM Thursday 11 March -->
<div class="fundraising" id="fundraising" style="margin-top:5px;"> You did it! Thanks to your generosity we exceeded our fund drive goal by 15%. ([[wikimedia:Fund drives/2005/Q1|details]])<br> <small> Show your pride in Wikipedia by purchasing merchandise through [http://www.cafepress.com/wikipedia our Cafe Press shop]. </small> </div>
My regular home computer will not boot for some unknown reason, so I will not be able to run the Day 10 (Sunday) report at this time. Day 11 (Monday) will be the final report for this fund drive.
Daniel Mayer, Wikimedia CFO
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I've shawn the Wikipedia project to my students yesterday (its Russian part mostly). And one of the students asked me: "But how do they expect to collect the huge money? Who will pay 75000?!" :) Now at the next lesson I can show him the result: one pessimist off. :)
Congratulations!
Sl.
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 05:33:16 +0100, Anthere anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
I am properly amazed by the speed we reached our goal....10 days while we had planned 3 weeks ! It is really impressing. The good point is also that we can remove the fundraising banner so quickly ...
Are any of your students Ossetic speakers, or for that matter speakers of other Russian Federation languages?
Even if you don't know if any of them speak it, it would be a very nice thing to mention.
When Wikipedia is spread from these students to their friends, it would be nice if in addition to "Russian free encyclopedia which anybody can edit", they will go to a Chuvash friend and say "Free encyclopedia which anybody can edit, with even a version in Chuvash waiting to be built".
I think that in this respect, if people were to mention this more such wikipedias would have more contributors.
When Danny or Jimbo or Eloquence or Angela or whomever presents the concept at a conference, as far as I know they either 1) don't mention languages except in passing, 2) mention that it's multilingual and that there are, for example, German and Japanese versions or 3) mention the fact that it is available in the national language.
If a presentation is being made in Spain, I think it is important to say "Not only is it available in Castillian, but there are also Wikipedias in Asturian, Aragonese, Galician, Catalan, and Basque".
Some people may not think it is notable, but to give a local example drives home that Wikipedia is very diverse. If you are presenting in China, please don't forget to mention that we have places for people to build Wikipedias in Yi, Zhuang, Tibetan, Uyghur, and many other languages.
If you are in Indonesia, please don't forget to mention that there are, in addition to the Indonesian Wikipedia (which is for whatever strange reason separate from the Malay Wikipedia), Sundanese and Javanese Wikipedias, and that Balinese, Timorese, Acehnese, or any other Indonesian languages will be welcomed on Wikipedia.
If you are in India please don't forget to mention that we have a Wikipedia for every single one of the languages mentioned in India's constitution - not just Hindi, but Urdu, Punjabi, Gujarati, Bengali, Kashmiri, Assamese, Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam, and Oriya.
The population that speaks these languages is not especially relevant. Even in Hawai'i please mention that we have a Hawai'ian Wikipedia (if I were in Hawai'i for a conference to speak about Wikipedia, I would also meet with Hawai'ian language activists to discuss Wikipedia with them, but obviously and understandably such issues are not as important when your focus is not linguistic diversity), in Phoenix mention that we have a Navajo Wikipedia, in Calgary mention that we have Cree and Inuktitut Wikipedias, in Denmark mention our Faroese and Greenlandic Wikipedias.
Mark
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 10:43:54 +0300, V. Ivanov amikeco@gmail.com wrote:
I've shawn the Wikipedia project to my students yesterday (its Russian part mostly). And one of the students asked me: "But how do they expect to collect the huge money? Who will pay 75000?!" :) Now at the next lesson I can show him the result: one pessimist off. :)
Congratulations!
Sl.
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 05:33:16 +0100, Anthere anthere9@yahoo.com wrote:
I am properly amazed by the speed we reached our goal....10 days while we had planned 3 weeks ! It is really impressing. The good point is also that we can remove the fundraising banner so quickly ...
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On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 01:35:10 -0700, Mark Williamson wrote:
Are any of your students Ossetic speakers, or for that matter speakers of other Russian Federation languages?
No. They are mostly ethnic Russians living at St. Petersburg.
Even if you don't know if any of them speak it, it would be a very nice thing to mention.
Well, I did mention that it's in tens of languages, including minority ones as (several examples here). In fact they are future linguists: and the fact of multilingualism at Wikipedia might be interesting for them.
If a presentation is being made in Spain, I think it is important to say "Not only is it available in Castillian, but there are also Wikipedias in Asturian, Aragonese, Galician, Catalan, and Basque".
Well, I've put the news to http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%83%D1%89%D0%B8%D0%B5_%D1%... . The text is smth like "28 February: the Ossetic Wikipedia is now on, being the fourth Wikipedia in the languages of Russia, afte the Russian, Tatar and Chuvash wikipedias".
also meet with Hawai'ian language activists to discuss Wikipedia with them, but obviously and understandably such issues are not as
For lesser used languages Wikipedia might be extremely necessary, for the speakers often don't have enough resources to print a classic encyclopedia. Flexibility of Wikipedia mechanism is the best here. While in Russian or English they can argue, if Wikipedia is good (reliable, etc.) enough, in a lesser used language they just don't have much choice!
important when your focus is not linguistic diversity), in Phoenix mention that we have a Navajo Wikipedia,
If it's code is nv, then its interwiki links don't work at os.wikipedia.org and I have to cut them.
Sl.
Mark Williamson a écrit:
Are any of your students Ossetic speakers, or for that matter speakers of other Russian Federation languages?
Even if you don't know if any of them speak it, it would be a very nice thing to mention.
When Wikipedia is spread from these students to their friends, it would be nice if in addition to "Russian free encyclopedia which anybody can edit", they will go to a Chuvash friend and say "Free encyclopedia which anybody can edit, with even a version in Chuvash waiting to be built".
I think that in this respect, if people were to mention this more such wikipedias would have more contributors.
When Danny or Jimbo or Eloquence or Angela or whomever presents the concept at a conference, as far as I know they either 1) don't mention languages except in passing, 2) mention that it's multilingual and that there are, for example, German and Japanese versions or 3) mention the fact that it is available in the national language.
Nod... I do not know about how they present Wikipedia but for Jimbo. And Jimbo mentions it is multilingual.
I several times had that opportunity, either to talk in a conference, or several times per month at journalists, and my moto is free, free and multilingual.
(just always nice to see that I am never listed as one of those speakers, but well... getting used to it months after months, thanks for the cheer up Node).
But, I thought the opportunity (your mail) was too good not to mention my latest blog, since for the first time I wrote in english rather than french. So, if many french wont be able to understand it, some might.
http://anthere.shaihome.net/index.php
I often disagree with you Node, but really, in this case, I am fullheartedly with you. I recommand you read my little story at the end of my post in particular.
PS : my heart is a bit bleeding that yesterday, for the first time, I wrote in english on my blog.
PPS : My blog is dedicated to Daniel Pink and his latest article on Wired by the way.
Mark Williamson wrote:
Some people may not think it is notable, but to give a local example drives home that Wikipedia is very diverse. If you are presenting in China, please don't forget to mention that we have places for people to build Wikipedias in Yi, Zhuang, Tibetan, Uyghur, and many other languages.
I don't disagree with this, but it's probably worth noting that languages are intimately connected to culture, nationalism, and politics, so when to mention what can sometimes be a sensitive issue. In China, in particular, promoting of regional languages is often connected to promoting regional political independence (i.e. secession from China, or at least increased autonomy), so needs to be done somewhat carefully so we don't become seen as a meddling US-based political organization that's trying to break apart China or something like that.
-Mark
I think that, as long as you are careful to say "even available in minority languages" rather than "there are also versions in the other major languages of China" (which they really are - all of the languages I mentioned have over 1m speakers in China), and as long as you don't mention Tibetan by itself.
On a side note, I forgot to include Mongolian.
Mark
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:00:14 -0500, Delirium delirium@hackish.org wrote:
Mark Williamson wrote:
Some people may not think it is notable, but to give a local example drives home that Wikipedia is very diverse. If you are presenting in China, please don't forget to mention that we have places for people to build Wikipedias in Yi, Zhuang, Tibetan, Uyghur, and many other languages.
I don't disagree with this, but it's probably worth noting that languages are intimately connected to culture, nationalism, and politics, so when to mention what can sometimes be a sensitive issue. In China, in particular, promoting of regional languages is often connected to promoting regional political independence (i.e. secession from China, or at least increased autonomy), so needs to be done somewhat carefully so we don't become seen as a meddling US-based political organization that's trying to break apart China or something like that.
-Mark
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On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:43:11 -0700, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
I think that, as long as you are careful to say "even available in minority languages" rather than "there are also versions in the other major languages of China" (which they really are - all of the languages I mentioned have over 1m speakers in China), and as long as you don't mention Tibetan by itself.
If I recall correctly the official definition of a "minority" anything in China is ~4-6 million, calling 1 million of anything over there might in their eyes be plain factually wrong.
On a side note, I forgot to include Mongolian.
Mark
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:00:14 -0500, Delirium delirium@hackish.org wrote:
Mark Williamson wrote:
Some people may not think it is notable, but to give a local example drives home that Wikipedia is very diverse. If you are presenting in China, please don't forget to mention that we have places for people to build Wikipedias in Yi, Zhuang, Tibetan, Uyghur, and many other languages.
I don't disagree with this, but it's probably worth noting that languages are intimately connected to culture, nationalism, and politics, so when to mention what can sometimes be a sensitive issue. In China, in particular, promoting of regional languages is often connected to promoting regional political independence (i.e. secession from China, or at least increased autonomy), so needs to be done somewhat carefully so we don't become seen as a meddling US-based political organization that's trying to break apart China or something like that.
-Mark
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There is no specific number.
Of all the officially-recognised minority nationalities, there are large ones (over 6 million), and there are small ones (under 1000).
Mark
On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 03:17:48 +0000, Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason avarab@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 12:43:11 -0700, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote:
I think that, as long as you are careful to say "even available in minority languages" rather than "there are also versions in the other major languages of China" (which they really are - all of the languages I mentioned have over 1m speakers in China), and as long as you don't mention Tibetan by itself.
If I recall correctly the official definition of a "minority" anything in China is ~4-6 million, calling 1 million of anything over there might in their eyes be plain factually wrong.
On a side note, I forgot to include Mongolian.
Mark
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 13:00:14 -0500, Delirium delirium@hackish.org wrote:
Mark Williamson wrote:
Some people may not think it is notable, but to give a local example drives home that Wikipedia is very diverse. If you are presenting in China, please don't forget to mention that we have places for people to build Wikipedias in Yi, Zhuang, Tibetan, Uyghur, and many other languages.
I don't disagree with this, but it's probably worth noting that languages are intimately connected to culture, nationalism, and politics, so when to mention what can sometimes be a sensitive issue. In China, in particular, promoting of regional languages is often connected to promoting regional political independence (i.e. secession from China, or at least increased autonomy), so needs to be done somewhat carefully so we don't become seen as a meddling US-based political organization that's trying to break apart China or something like that.
-Mark
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On Tue, March 1, 2005 10:00 am, Delirium said:
Mark Williamson wrote:
Some people may not think it is notable, but to give a local example drives home that Wikipedia is very diverse. If you are presenting in China, please don't forget to mention that we have places for people to build Wikipedias in Yi, Zhuang, Tibetan, Uyghur, and many other languages.
I don't disagree with this, but it's probably worth noting that languages are intimately connected to culture, nationalism, and politics, so when to mention what can sometimes be a sensitive issue. In China, in particular, promoting of regional languages is often connected to promoting regional political independence (i.e. secession from China, or at least increased autonomy), so needs to be done somewhat carefully so we don't become seen as a meddling US-based political organization that's trying to break apart China or something like that.
-Mark
The PRC government recognizes that the minorities (non-Han) have their own languages. Some of them are even printed on the Renminbi bank notes. The word "Putonghua" (common speech) was coined by PRC to replace the previous name "Guoyu" (national speech), officially as a repect to the minorities. I believe it should be rather safe to promote an encyclopedia in any recognized minority language.
Even for Han Chinese regional speeches, although the government recognize them as dialects rather than different but related languages, there is no official statement against promoting them and there is no record of considering the action secessionist yet.
They make a great effor in promoting Putonghua though.
I am not saying that we should not be careful about the language issue, but I just want to set the record straight.
Felix Wan
It should, however, be noted that while music and written material in "dialects" is never censored, there has been a high-profile case where Tom and Jerry were dubbed in, I believe it was Wu, and it was banned from airing, although I believe the DVD will still be distributed.
What's ironic about the whole fiasco is that in the original English, Tom and Jerry were both silent.
Mark
On Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:59:08 -0800 (PST), Felix Wan felixwiki@earthsphere.org wrote:
On Tue, March 1, 2005 10:00 am, Delirium said:
Mark Williamson wrote:
Some people may not think it is notable, but to give a local example drives home that Wikipedia is very diverse. If you are presenting in China, please don't forget to mention that we have places for people to build Wikipedias in Yi, Zhuang, Tibetan, Uyghur, and many other languages.
I don't disagree with this, but it's probably worth noting that languages are intimately connected to culture, nationalism, and politics, so when to mention what can sometimes be a sensitive issue. In China, in particular, promoting of regional languages is often connected to promoting regional political independence (i.e. secession from China, or at least increased autonomy), so needs to be done somewhat carefully so we don't become seen as a meddling US-based political organization that's trying to break apart China or something like that.
-Mark
The PRC government recognizes that the minorities (non-Han) have their own languages. Some of them are even printed on the Renminbi bank notes. The word "Putonghua" (common speech) was coined by PRC to replace the previous name "Guoyu" (national speech), officially as a repect to the minorities. I believe it should be rather safe to promote an encyclopedia in any recognized minority language.
Even for Han Chinese regional speeches, although the government recognize them as dialects rather than different but related languages, there is no official statement against promoting them and there is no record of considering the action secessionist yet.
They make a great effor in promoting Putonghua though.
I am not saying that we should not be careful about the language issue, but I just want to set the record straight.
Felix Wan
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--- "V. Ivanov" amikeco@gmail.com wrote:
I've shawn the Wikipedia project to my students yesterday (its Russian part mostly). And one of the students asked me: "But how do they expect to collect the huge money? Who will pay 75000?!" :) Now at the next lesson I can show him the result: one pessimist off. :)
Tell them 'the same way it is written: a great many small efforts with some larger efforts mixed-in'. There is *no* way we could have reached our fund drive goal without all the smaller donations. Every little bit counted.
-- mav
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Daniel Mayer wrote:
--- "V. Ivanov" amikeco@gmail.com wrote:
I've shawn the Wikipedia project to my students yesterday (its Russian part mostly). And one of the students asked me: "But how do they expect to collect the huge money? Who will pay 75000?!" :) Now at the next lesson I can show him the result: one pessimist off. :)
Tell them 'the same way it is written: a great many small efforts with some larger efforts mixed-in'. There is *no* way we could have reached our fund drive goal without all the smaller donations. Every little bit counted.
This is not the whole truth. For economically less developed countries such as Russia, or heavily taxed countries such as Sweden, this amount of voluntary fundraising (per capita) is uncommon. In Russia, the common question might be "does so much money even exist?" and in Sweden the common question would be "I paid all my money in taxes, so why doesn't the government pay for this?" (The idea, right or wrong, that the government does spend its money wisely is very common here, otherwise the high level of taxation would never work.) The students in St Petersburg should be glad that they are invited to an open potluck party, where some people bring money and other people bring their brains.
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