Hello,
Up until very recently, Wikipedia has had a Facebook fan page, with a large number (at least five-figure) number of fans. This page, however, has disappeared. Does anyone know why this is?
I'm unsure if the fan page was official (or rather, ran by a prominent member of the community), but its deletion has left us with a number of far smaller pages, the largest of which has 5,961 fans. The alarming thing about this page, however, is that it is hardly flattering to Wikipedia when it is bore in mind that the display image is as follows:
http://profile.ak.facebook.com/object3/1533/67/l44712023245_41.jpg (A motivational image stating "Wikipedia: The truth is now editable").
I thought I would raise it as a point here, as it may be something to contact Facebook about, simply because it does not shed Wikipedia - and our work - in the best light with such an image being seen by anyone who types "Wikipedia" into the Facebook search box.
It may also be an idea to set up some sort of stable and official page.
At least in my opinion, this is hardly actionable. Besides, whoever made that image doesn't understand the concept of verifiability.
- Chris
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Esteffect (Wikipedia e-mail) < esteffect@googlemail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Up until very recently, Wikipedia has had a Facebook fan page, with a large number (at least five-figure) number of fans. This page, however, has disappeared. Does anyone know why this is?
I'm unsure if the fan page was official (or rather, ran by a prominent member of the community), but its deletion has left us with a number of far smaller pages, the largest of which has 5,961 fans. The alarming thing about this page, however, is that it is hardly flattering to Wikipedia when it is bore in mind that the display image is as follows:
http://profile.ak.facebook.com/object3/1533/67/l44712023245_41.jpg (A motivational image stating "Wikipedia: The truth is now editable").
I thought I would raise it as a point here, as it may be something to contact Facebook about, simply because it does not shed Wikipedia - and our work - in the best light with such an image being seen by anyone who types "Wikipedia" into the Facebook search box.
It may also be an idea to set up some sort of stable and official page. _______________________________________________ Wikipedia-l mailing list Wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l
On Mar 3, 2009, at 7:34 PM, Chris Down wrote:
At least in my opinion, this is hardly actionable. Besides, whoever made that image doesn't understand the concept of verifiability. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Esteffect (Wikipedia e-mail) < esteffect@googlemail.com> wrote:
http://profile.ak.facebook.com/object3/1533/67/l44712023245_41.jpg (A motivational image stating "Wikipedia: The truth is now editable").
"Truth" is a concept often brokered in by authoritarians, where there are absolute, unchanging, statements of "fact", regardless of science, of future results, of more data, (etc.)
"Truth" has always been editable, depending on who has authority.
We're Wikipedia. We don't deal with a "Truth", we deal with many verifiable believers in many verifiable "truths".
-Bop
I think that the way the image is being used, however, is clearly to state, "it's unreliable". It can probably be actioned quite easily, as Facebook pages are supposed to be ran by key representatives of the brand they represent. Unless the Foundation are running it, it would not be hard to report.
The original page, with its 50,000 or so "fans" still seems a bit suspect in terms of its disappearance, and was a far better representative of the project (actual Wikipedia logo, and so forth).
On 04/03/2009, Ronald Chmara ron@opus1.com wrote:
On Mar 3, 2009, at 7:34 PM, Chris Down wrote:
At least in my opinion, this is hardly actionable. Besides, whoever made that image doesn't understand the concept of verifiability. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Esteffect (Wikipedia e-mail) < esteffect@googlemail.com> wrote:
http://profile.ak.facebook.com/object3/1533/67/l44712023245_41.jpg (A motivational image stating "Wikipedia: The truth is now editable").
"Truth" is a concept often brokered in by authoritarians, where there are absolute, unchanging, statements of "fact", regardless of science, of future results, of more data, (etc.)
"Truth" has always been editable, depending on who has authority.
We're Wikipedia. We don't deal with a "Truth", we deal with many verifiable believers in many verifiable "truths".
-Bop
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I still don't think calling us 'unreliable' is actionable straightout. Hell, we aren't reliable even by our own standards.
- Chris
On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 4:03 AM, Esteffect (Wikipedia e-mail) < esteffect@googlemail.com> wrote:
I think that the way the image is being used, however, is clearly to state, "it's unreliable". It can probably be actioned quite easily, as Facebook pages are supposed to be ran by key representatives of the brand they represent. Unless the Foundation are running it, it would not be hard to report.
The original page, with its 50,000 or so "fans" still seems a bit suspect in terms of its disappearance, and was a far better representative of the project (actual Wikipedia logo, and so forth).
On 04/03/2009, Ronald Chmara ron@opus1.com wrote:
On Mar 3, 2009, at 7:34 PM, Chris Down wrote:
At least in my opinion, this is hardly actionable. Besides, whoever made that image doesn't understand the concept of verifiability. On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 2:01 AM, Esteffect (Wikipedia e-mail) < esteffect@googlemail.com> wrote:
http://profile.ak.facebook.com/object3/1533/67/l44712023245_41.jpg (A motivational image stating "Wikipedia: The truth is now editable").
"Truth" is a concept often brokered in by authoritarians, where there are absolute, unchanging, statements of "fact", regardless of science, of future results, of more data, (etc.)
"Truth" has always been editable, depending on who has authority.
We're Wikipedia. We don't deal with a "Truth", we deal with many verifiable believers in many verifiable "truths".
-Bop
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Esteffect (Wikipedia e-mail) wrote:
Hello,
Up until very recently, Wikipedia has had a Facebook fan page, with a large number (at least five-figure) number of fans. This page, however, has disappeared. Does anyone know why this is?
It's here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wikipediaorg/33138223345. This has been the page since we took it over from someone who was using it to Rickroll people.
Cary
Ah, I see. Interestingly it fails to come up in search results, probably because Facebook recently decided to place all 'exact result matches' before non-exact results, irregardless of the number of fans. This means that it seems to be placed behind a plethora of pages with 3 or 4 people using it. This isn't a big issue, of course, and could probably only be counteracted by the page being renamed simply "Wikipedia" (which I believe Facebook tend to allow on a case-by-case basis).
On 04/03/2009, Cary Bass cary@wikimedia.org wrote:
Esteffect (Wikipedia e-mail) wrote:
Hello,
Up until very recently, Wikipedia has had a Facebook fan page, with a
large
number (at least five-figure) number of fans. This page, however, has disappeared. Does anyone know why this is?
It's here: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Wikipediaorg/33138223345. This has been the page since we took it over from someone who was using it to Rickroll people.
Cary
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