---------- From: Fred Bauder fredbaud@ctelco.net Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 05:11:17 -0700 To: "Mark Williamson , wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org" node.ue@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Collective POV ("systemic bias") rampant

On the English Wikipedia you can expect people of many nationalities to show up and participate in debates about articles which concern people of other than English cultural orientation. Chinese edit the People's Republic of China article and the Tibet article; Ukrainians, Poles and Russians weigh in on [[Collectivisation in the USSR]] as do advocates of Stalin. American and English culture are international cultures and diverse viewpoints are expected.

To a certain extent people are "spoken for", Tibetans, Ainus and victims of the Great Famine don't show up themselves.

Fred

From: Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com Reply-To: Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com, wikipedia-l@Wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 21:35:13 -0700 To: wikipedia-l@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Collective POV ("systemic bias") rampant

And thus, the fact that as a general rule more pages at en.wikipedia are viewed and edited by Americans than anybody else, and by a much larger margin by more people from Anglophone countries than anywhere else, is systemic bias.