On 9 Jan 2005, at 20:40, David Gerard wrote: My thinking is that ''instead'' of sticking with the exact numbers 50 000 + 10 000–50 000 1000–10 000 and 100–1000 as selection criteria and promoting the various language Wikipedias higher as they meet higher thresholds, again, ''INSTEAD'' of doing that, we should keep roughly four groups and just ''adjust the thresholds''. So if in the future we were to have, say, 12 Wikipedias over 50 000 and 30 Wikipedias over 10 000, we should NOT have 12 and 35 items (respectively) in the top two groups, but we should adjust the thresholds -- of the top 12, maybe only 6 might be over 500 000 and of the 35 maybe only 15 might be over 50 000. So we simply make change the 4 group's thresholds to, for example: 500 000 + 50 000–500 000 10 000–50 000 and 100–10 000 This would rightly give emphasis to our "most wanted" Wikipedias and avoids cluttering the screen too much. This concept only would need to be changed if, say, our 30 biggest Wikipedias were to turn out becoming very similarly sized. -- ropers [[en:User:Ropers]] www.ropersonline.com

Andre Engels (andreengels(a)gmail.com) [050112 02:13]: You haven't been reading the list, have you? I've been pointing it out repeatedly ... you should go through and reply to some of the messages so far. That said, the 50k division is arbitrary and you have about 2500 articles to go. *That* said, I think we do need some sort of division on the portal page - otherwise it'll be even worse visually. (And I so hope Klingon doesn't make 100 articles.) - d.

Paweł 'Ausir' Dembowski wrote: That's bound to make it more popular ;-) The people whou would dismiss Klingon as silly will now be attracted to Tlhingan just to find out what that is. Ec

On Tue, Jan 11, 2005 at 04:13:05PM +0100, Andre Engels wrote: And as we're at it, the Polish Wikipedia is also larger than Swedish, we're just not overstubbing like them.

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Alfio Puglisi wrote: Hoi, I like it, it is a nice experiment, one thing you could add is the template with all the sisterprojects. A great example of what this could look like can be found on the Commons Main Page. Another thing to enhance it, is by adding the picture of the day as featured on Commons. You add a little colour and a picture and as a result it is a bit more cheerfull. :) Thanks, GerardM

I like that option. Now, we could even put a bit of editorial content based on language recognition (not too much) and some images to improve the looks. Don't you think it would be nice ? Ant Alfio Puglisi a écrit:

Again, any browser-setting based redirect or even not a redirect but a simple "your language: xxx" notice suffers from problems I have already enumerated. Mark On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 17:03:53 +0100 (MET), Alfio Puglisi &lt;puglisi(a)arcetri.astro.it&gt; wrote:

MW> Again, any browser-setting based redirect or even not a redirect but a MW> simple "your language: xxx" notice suffers from problems I have MW> already enumerated. How is a notice based on the browser language of the user's choice a bad idea escapes me. It makes it easier for people who want to use Wikipedia in their browser language, and for the others, who are most likely a minority, the other languages are still listed. -- Ausir Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia http://pl.wikipedia.org

"As noted before, it will minimize the other options. If Dutch is featured prominently because it is set as the auto-accept language, somebody is less likely to notice that W. Frisian, Limburgish, Afrikaans, etc. are also available. As Ant noted in another thread on the same topic (really, this is getting out of hand), the French reporters who didn't know that fr: existed... this would be similar, and potentially millions of users could be inconvenienced by it. Some Wikipedias link prominently (or at least somewhat prominently) to other languages spoken in the same region: Afrikaans links to other South African languages, Hindi links to other Indian languages, Chinese links to the other languages of China, etc. But some languages, for example English, cannot afford this because there are just too many languages (English has Inuktitut, French, Spanish, Navajo, Maori, Welsh, Irish, Scottish, Cornish, Chinese, Malay, Hebrew, Yiddish, Afrikaans, and plenty of other languages). Mark" Thus, if a man whose first language is Frisian sees: N E D E R L A N D S (Arabiyy) Afrikaans (B'lgarskij) (Belaruski) (Bam'la) Català Corsu Czestina Dansk Deutsch English Faroese Français Frysk ('elliniká) ... you can see how much more likely they will be to end up at the Nederlands Wikipedia even if they would rather've gone to fy.wikipedia - one is shoved up in their face, the other one is further down the list and chances are they won't even know it exists. The same is true for anybody with English set as their browser language but who prefers another language (many people in India, Pakistan...), or any other language which has a similar situation. Mark On 10 Jan 2005 22:02:00 +0100, Till Westermayer &lt;till(a)tillwe.de&gt; wrote:

As noted before, it will minimize the other options. If Dutch is featured prominently because it is set as the auto-accept language, somebody is less likely to notice that W. Frisian, Limburgish, Afrikaans, etc. are also available. As Ant noted in another thread on the same topic (really, this is getting out of hand), the French reporters who didn't know that fr: existed... this would be similar, and potentially millions of users could be inconvenienced by it. Some Wikipedias link prominently (or at least somewhat prominently) to other languages spoken in the same region: Afrikaans links to other South African languages, Hindi links to other Indian languages, Chinese links to the other languages of China, etc. But some languages, for example English, cannot afford this because there are just too many languages (English has Inuktitut, French, Spanish, Navajo, Maori, Welsh, Irish, Scottish, Cornish, Chinese, Malay, Hebrew, Yiddish, Afrikaans, and plenty of other languages). Mark On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 01:21:21 +0100, Walter Vermeir &lt;walter(a)wikipedia.be&gt; wrote:

AP> Did you look at the page? The selected page is shown as big as the 5 major AP> languages, while the other languages are smaller. If that's not AP> acceptable, then also the current www.wikipedia.org portal is not. AP> Alfio It would be better if the text was also in that language. -- Ausir Wikipedia, wolna encyklopedia http://pl.wikipedia.org