Unfortunately, it seems that these orthographic changes you've
introduced aren't accepted. However, the Platt Wikipedia is currently
in a very malleable state, so it's quite possible that in the
future, orthographic changes will be accepted.
Thanks. Hopefully this will be the case. The reaction, unfortunately,
seems to corroborate the allegation of lacking insight and competence that
people are talking (and joking) about outside Wikipedia, and this is not
something that stands the Wikipedia movement in good stead. Wikipedia
deserves better.
Thanks for the effort!"
Seems to again corroborate what I've been saying.
Mark
On 10/07/05, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Slomox, how would you know whether or not it is
written in a corrupted
form of Low Saxon? IT ISN'T YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE!
It's not mine either, but I was told by R. F. Hahn that you guys are
using Fernsehplatt, ie Platt with Hochdeutsch grammar. He is a native
speaker, and you aren't. So who should we believe here? Him, or you?
A recap of all the major players in this arguments:
- Me, with a level of nds-0. Maybe able to understand nds-1, but not speak it.
- Servien, with a level of nds-3. Not a native speaker.
- HeikoEvermann, with a level of nds-3. Not a native speaker, but an
admin and very bossy and authoritarian at that.
- Slomox, with a level of ???. Not a native speaker.
- Waerth, with a level of ???. Not a native speaker.
- Wouter, with a level of ???. Maybe a native speaker.
So, basically nobody here is a native speaker, except maybe Wouter?
Well, why are we even doing this then? A new Wikipedia should never be
created without a native speaker. So even if nds-nl IS ever to be
created, there should be a native speaker first.
Mark
On 10/07/05, Marcus Buck <wiki(a)marcusbuck.org> wrote:
Mark Williamson wrote:
Hmm... according to the ISO, "nds" does
not include East Low German.
Only Low Saxon. Seems this Wikipedia is not in accordance...
Plattdüütsch covers the non-frankish parts of Low German, but there is no ISO
code for this portion. I don't know the discussion held when creating
nds.wikipedia, but I think it was intended to cover this portion, but the code
nds was chosen, because he was the best-matching code therefore. It would be
silly to separate East Low German and Low Saxon, because they are closely
related.
Servien Ilaino wrote:
You are very wrong in saying (at least I think so)
that in
Germany are the most "important" dialects of Low Saxon...
Important is not the right word, yes (sometimes the correct English words are
lacking).
The reason why Dutch speakers don't contribute
is because
the writing system is completely incomprehensible!
Long time no writing system was given and nevertheless any Dutch contributed.
It is not possible to write an Low Saxon/Plattdüütsch/Low German whatever
wikipedia understandable to all speakers in all parts of the Netherlands and
Germany without inventing a common writing and a common standard for the use of
words not common. But this invention can't be task of a wikipedia, but must be
based on a broad consensus in language community. Therefore we need two
projects for the main varieties Dutch-influenced and German-influenced Low
Saxon. (coming back to the original issue)
I hope nobody will think anymore, nds.wikipedia is mainly written in a corrupted
form of Low Saxon, this is not true.
Slomox (Marcus Buck)
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