Anthere anthere5@yahoo.com writes:

--- wiki pedista wikipedista@yahoo.com wrote:

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Jimbo wrote: ''I wonder what would happen if we unprotected the home page for a few days, with the *express plan* of trying to do something more international there?''

No, I don't think that would do the trick. That is the Main Page of the english wikipedia, it doesn't have to be multilingual (I think it is international enough). (I wasn't going to bring this up for a while, but Jimbo asked)

I wholeheartedly agree with you Astronomer !!!!

The actual main page of the whole project should be english only ! These utterly irritating internationals should really feel happy enough we are putting international links everywhere to please them ! The main page could be *deeply damaged* (utterly destroyed ?) if anybody aside very trusted english sysops had the right to edit it !

Astronomer is totally right. The current Main Page is the Main Page of the _English Wikipedia_ and should remain as it is.

<irony> But we could move it to en.wikipedia.org and rotate the address www.wikipedia.org weekly among all the wikipedias so it points one week to the Main Page of the French, next week to the Spanish, then to the English and so on until PhaseIV is ready. </irony>

greetings, elian

tarquin tarquin@planetunreal.com wrote:

elian wrote:

Astronomer is totally right. The current Main Page is the Main Page of the _English Wikipedia_ and should remain as it is.

yup

But we could move it to en.wikipedia.org and rotate the address www.wikipedia.org weekly among all the wikipedias so it points one week to the Main Page of the French, next week to the Spanish, then to the English and so on until PhaseIV is ready.

I actually like this idea!

Yeah me too :-)

I apologize for having been ironic.

I had the following thoughts.

Suppose a sysop should be seen function-oriented.

This implies duties, more than rights. Watching for vandalism, reverting damage, banning undesirable elements, welcoming newcomers, cleaning-up behind them, explaining how things work, cooling off problematic editors. It should not give benefits in the sense of having editing rights that others don't have.

In particular, they should not use their position to edit pages over which there is an edit war, especially when they are involved. And I cannot figure why they should have the right to edit protected pages when regular editors cannot.

I was told protected pages were protected because often the aim of vandals. Well, there are enough sysops to ban vandals, and enough contributors to revert vandalized pages on the english wiki.

So, I see not why the main page is protected, and I see not why regular editors cannot edit it, in the *wiki spirit* ("you can edit this page, now").

Suppose a sysop should be seen person-oriented.

This implies the sysop is someone trusted by others to bring beneficial input to the project. In reverse, that has somehow a light implication than others are not entirely so.

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Some months ago, somebody (sorry, I don't remember who) raised the topic of "Les troph�es du Libre".

I know some consider it a very french matter, so to be raised only on the french wiki. I am just raising it because I could reach other french-speaking who could have missed the discussion, and feel like getting involved.

When the subject of Les Troph�es du Libre was raised, I said I could maybe take care of it. I wondered which page would be more suited to be indicated as the main entrance for the whole project. I wondered whether it had better be the french wiki only, or whether it would have a better impact to give the english page adress (or both if possible).

I think today the french wiki is bigger, nicer (phase III, and new homepage design) than it was at that time. So, the french address is probably the best one.

Still, it seems to me that giving just the address of the french wiki would be a misrepresentation of the international coverage of the project. So, why not also give the english main page adress ?

Well...it seems to me it would be rather a poor approach to present a project as being open to edition to *anybody* in the "wiki way", and then have to admit that "it is not true".

The english main page is the one of the english wiki, and should stay in english of course, but as long as we have no common address to present the whole project, it is also a little bit the general page. And some doors are better opened than closed.

I will have very little time on my hands till beginning of march. Plus, I am no developer. So, I will not register us to Les Troph�es du Libre (registration to be done BEFORE THE 15TH OF FEBRUARY). I raised the issue in our favorite "lieu de perdition" on the french wiki, but nobody seems to be interested in taking the time to do it. Any candidate to take care of that please ?

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--- Kurt Jansson jansson@gmx.net wrote:

Hi Anthere!

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Some months ago, somebody (sorry, I don't remember

who) raised the

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topic of "Les troph�es du Libre".

That was me :-) Everybody who doesn't know what this is about, take a look at http://www.tropheesdulibre.org/main.php?lang=en

Hello,

I was not sure it was you or Magnus...

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I know some consider it a very french matter, so

to be raised only on

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the french wiki.

Why? I thought it's an international contest.

That's what I also think. But not everybody agrees...

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I wondered which page would be more suited to be

indicated as the

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main entrance for the whole project.

I'd choose the English one, because it looks best and, I have to admit, you can see the best content there (remember, we want to win a contest).

Youssefsan registered us yesterday (thanks Youssef), and I just updated his text. Please find it below

If someone see fit changes, tell us, and Youssef or I would make the change (IF we agree :-), the site is not a wiki, and only us have the password...I am kikking)

And it's impossible to miss the other language Wikipedias.

Well...on the french site you can't miss them either...

Ok, Youssef gave the link to the french site...

Since, I am hinting in the text that it's a wiki, that any visitor can edit, I can hardly put a protected page as an example of what a wiki page is, no ? :-))

incidently, we had a goatse visit yesterday

Even better, give them a link to the English BrilliantProse page.

Ah, good point though I wonder what should be more stressed here...I think stress should be on software more than content given the goal of the contest. Fact is - as I said - I am not in the computer field, I know little about it (and little about ftp uses - I believe most users will likely no nothing about ftps...), given the number of people working in computer science on the french wiki, I could imagine they would be more suitable than me to talk about which languages and which technologies are used

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Any candidate to take care of that please ?

Sorry, my french is really bad, and I didn't understand the English translation the last time I visited the site, that's why I asked on this list for someone to take care about it. Is it really that much work?

Kurt

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tarquin tarquin@planetunreal.com wrote:

elian wrote:

Astronomer is totally right. The current Main Page is the Main Page of the _English Wikipedia_ and should remain as it is.

yup

But we could move it to en.wikipedia.org and rotate the address www.wikipedia.org weekly among all the wikipedias so it points one week to the Main Page of the French, next week to the Spanish, then to the English and so on until PhaseIV is ready.

I actually like this idea!

Yeah me too :-)

I apologize for having been ironic.

I had the following thoughts.

Suppose a sysop should be seen function-oriented.

This implies duties, more than rights. Watching for vandalism, reverting damage, banning undesirable elements, welcoming newcomers, cleaning-up behind them, explaining how things work, cooling off problematic editors. It should not give benefits in the sense of having editing rights that others don't have.

In particular, they should not use their position to edit pages over which there is an edit war, especially when they are involved. And I cannot figure why they should have the right to edit protected pages when regular editors cannot.

I was told protected pages were protected because often the aim of vandals. Well, there are enough sysops to ban vandals, and enough contributors to revert vandalized pages on the english wiki.

So, I see not why the main page is protected, and I see not why regular editors cannot edit it, in the *wiki spirit* ("you can edit this page, now").

Suppose a sysop should be seen person-oriented.

This implies the sysop is someone trusted by others to bring beneficial input to the project. In reverse, that has somehow a light implication than others are not entirely so.

--------------

Some months ago, somebody (sorry, I don't remember who) raised the topic of "Les troph�es du Libre".

I know some consider it a very french matter, so to be raised only on the french wiki. I am just raising it because I could reach other french-speaking who could have missed the discussion, and feel like getting involved.

When the subject of Les Troph�es du Libre was raised, I said I could maybe take care of it. I wondered which page would be more suited to be indicated as the main entrance for the whole project. I wondered whether it had better be the french wiki only, or whether it would have a better impact to give the english page adress (or both if possible).

I think today the french wiki is bigger, nicer (phase III, and new homepage design) than it was at that time. So, the french address is probably the best one.

Still, it seems to me that giving just the address of the french wiki would be a misrepresentation of the international coverage of the project. So, why not also give the english main page adress ?

Well...it seems to me it would be rather a poor approach to present a project as being open to edition to *anybody* in the "wiki way", and then have to admit that "it is not true".

The english main page is the one of the english wiki, and should stay in english of course, but as long as we have no common address to present the whole project, it is also a little bit the general page. And some doors are better opened than closed.

I will have very little time on my hands till beginning of march. Plus, I am no developer. So, I will not register us to Les Troph�es du Libre (registration to be done BEFORE THE 15TH OF FEBRUARY). I raised the issue in our favorite "lieu de perdition" on the french wiki, but nobody seems to be interested in taking the time to do it. Any candidate to take care of that please ?

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