Erik Moeller wrote:
Well, here's the thing. Our Main Page is protected. Our Main Page links to the Brilliant Prose page, which would also be protected. The Brilliant Prose page would only link to verified revisions of articles. A user can choose this path
Main Page->Brilliant prose->Article
And they will never see an "unstable" article -- these pages would always be in a reasonable state. It is the same thing as a separate site, but happens entirely within Wikipedia.
My first reaction is to be against this; I don't like the idea of locking down pages in general, and Brilliant Prose is something I think everyone should be able to add to. But, I'm reserving judgement until there's more discussion.
Three things off the top of my head:
1. Who can add to brilliant prose? Sysops? What makes me (for example) more qualified to judge brilliant prose about the spectrum of human knowledge?
2. One of the great things about Wikipedia is that readers quickly become writers. If we were to use particular versions from article histories as stable articles, we'll need some way to allow readers to easily move into editing mode, i.e. an "Edit the current version of this article" link.
3. The synthesis of the first two concerns: what happens when there are errors in the stable version? Mistakes can be corrected in the current version, but only sysops will be able to change which version is listed on the locked Brilliant Prose page. Thus, it's possible that the "stable" version could have more errors than the "development" version of a given article.
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sgilbert-
- Who can add to brilliant prose? Sysops? What makes me (for
example) more qualified to judge brilliant prose about the spectrum of human knowledge?
Well, right now we are already using a process on En: whereby pages have to meet with general approval before they are added to the page. See http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Brilliant_prose_candidates for details.
- One of the great things about Wikipedia is that readers quickly
become writers. If we were to use particular versions from article histories as stable articles, we'll need some way to allow readers to easily move into editing mode, i.e. an "Edit the current version of this article" link.
Yup, that's what I was thinking as well. Have a prominent notice on top of the page:
"You are viewing a stable, certified revision of this article. Errors may already be fixed in the [[latest unstable version]], which you can [[edit]] directly."
- The synthesis of the first two concerns: what happens when
there are errors in the stable version? Mistakes can be corrected in the current version, but only sysops will be able to change which version is listed on the locked Brilliant Prose page.
Sifter would have the exact same problem. IMHO the best solution is to give sysops some leeway to change the pointer to a new revision in case of obvious corrections (linkfixes, spelling, uncontroversial factual changes as per talk etc.), and to otherwise require a re-listing on the candidates page.
Regards,
Erik
on 7/28/03 10:08 AM, sgilbert@nbnet.nb.ca at sgilbert@nbnet.nb.ca wrote:
Erik Moeller wrote:
Well, here's the thing. Our Main Page is protected. Our Main Page links to the Brilliant Prose page, which would also be protected. The Brilliant Prose page would only link to verified revisions of articles. A user can choose this path
Main Page->Brilliant prose->Article
And they will never see an "unstable" article -- these pages would always be in a reasonable state. It is the same thing as a separate site, but happens entirely within Wikipedia.
My first reaction is to be against this; I don't like the idea of locking down pages in general, and Brilliant Prose is something I think everyone should be able to add to. But, I'm reserving judgement until there's more discussion.
Three things off the top of my head:
- Who can add to brilliant prose? Sysops? What makes me (for
example) more qualified to judge brilliant prose about the spectrum of human knowledge?
Well everyone has outstanding spot expertise in some areas, you just need to know your limits. You may often write in areas that are not your areas of expertise, and neglect areas that you are really expert in, but for this purpose perhaps you should limit your activities more.
- One of the great things about Wikipedia is that readers quickly
become writers. If we were to use particular versions from article histories as stable articles, we'll need some way to allow readers to easily move into editing mode, i.e. an "Edit the current version of this article" link.
Yes.
- The synthesis of the first two concerns: what happens when
there are errors in the stable version? Mistakes can be corrected in the current version, but only sysops will be able to change which version is listed on the locked Brilliant Prose page. Thus, it's possible that the "stable" version could have more errors than the "development" version of a given article.
The stable version will need regular maintenance, both with respect to ongoing developments and improvement of the current version.
Stephen G.
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