On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Chuck Smith wrote:
From what I remember from Wikipedia-L, I thought we
were going to continue to allow subpages on personal pages and ditch them on the regular wikipedia. Are there any plans to put them back in on personal pages?
Don't know.
Also, when are you going to give back privileges to edit the Homepage to trusted users? I made it my responsibility to update the new language wikipedias when they came in and now I can't. I think an unprotected homepage is better than a protected homepage that only two people can edit... now that's a cabal!
Well, there was originally a "can-edit-the-homepage" cabal :-) consisting of about a dozen people, but they all had sysop privileges as well, which was, er, not to "diss" any of the people in question, maybe a little dangerous.
Y'know, I think a sensible thing to do would be to make all registered users members of a "can-edit-the-homepage" cabal, which makes it no longer a cabal. This would prevent almost all homepage vandalism.
Programmers, am I asking for too much here? Or is there a better way?
Larry
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002, Chuck Smith wrote:
From what I remember from Wikipedia-L, I thought we
were going to continue to allow subpages on personal pages and ditch them on the regular wikipedia. Are there any plans to put them back in on personal pages?
Don't know.
That would be nice.
Also, when are you going to give back privileges to edit the Homepage to trusted users? I made it my responsibility to update the new language wikipedias when they came in and now I can't. I think an unprotected homepage is better than a protected homepage that only two people can edit... now that's a cabal!
Well, there was originally a "can-edit-the-homepage" cabal :-) consisting of about a dozen people, but they all had sysop privileges as well, which was, er, not to "diss" any of the people in question, maybe a little dangerous.
Were there ever any actual incidents where this was a problem? If there were, it should be made public.
Y'know, I think a sensible thing to do would be to make all registered users members of a "can-edit-the-homepage" cabal, which makes it no longer a cabal. This would prevent almost all homepage vandalism.
That's a good idea.
From what I remember from Wikipedia-L, I thought we
were going to continue to allow subpages on personal pages and ditch them on the regular wikipedia. Are there any plans to put them back in on personal pages?
Don't know.
That would be nice.
AFAIK, as we can still use the "/" character in page titles, there never was a plan to reintroduce subpage *functionality*. But it is easy enough to to by hand: Create the subpage by clicking on a link you create on your homepage ("[[user:Magnus Manske/foobar]]"); on the "subpage", write "Back to ~~~", which will become the backlink to your homepage.
Also, when are you going to give back privileges to edit the Homepage to trusted users? I made it my responsibility to update the new language wikipedias when they came in and now I can't. I think an unprotected homepage is better than a protected homepage that only two people can edit... now that's a cabal!
Well, there was originally a "can-edit-the-homepage" cabal :-)
consisting
of about a dozen people, but they all had sysop privileges as
well, which
was, er, not to "diss" any of the people in question, maybe a little dangerous.
Were there ever any actual incidents where this was a problem? If there were, it should be made public.
It seems we're back at my "trusted" status idea, which was meant to *reduce* the "cabal" by making certain fucntions accessible to many people instead of two. Well, I guess I was ahead of my time again ;)
Y'know, I think a sensible thing to do would be to make all registered users members of a "can-edit-the-homepage" cabal, which makes
it no longer
a cabal. This would prevent almost all homepage vandalism.
That's a good idea.
Best idea, second to "trusted"...
Magnus
AFAIK, as we can still use the "/" character in page titles, there never was a plan to reintroduce subpage *functionality*. But it is easy enough to to by hand: Create the subpage by clicking on a link you create on your homepage ("[[user:Magnus Manske/foobar]]"); on the "subpage", write "Back to
Automatic functionality that can be done by hand is no longer automatic functionality. And the creation of the back-link is only part of the functionality; the other part is being able to write [[/foobar]] instead of [[user:Magnus Manske/foobar]] on any user:Magnus Manske subpage.
It seems we're back at my "trusted" status idea, which was meant to *reduce* the "cabal" by making certain fucntions accessible to many people instead of two. Well, I guess I was ahead of my time again ;)
Increasing the number of people in a cabal doesn't make it less of a cabal unless the vast majority of people are in a cabal. Then you've instead got a situation of unfortunate hierarchies. I'd rather have one or two absolute dictators (so to speak) than an oligarchy.
--tc
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 kband@www.llamacom.com wrote:
It seems we're back at my "trusted" status idea, which was meant to *reduce* the "cabal" by making certain fucntions accessible to many people instead of two. Well, I guess I was ahead of my time again ;)
Increasing the number of people in a cabal doesn't make it less of a cabal unless the vast majority of people are in a cabal. Then you've instead got a situation of unfortunate hierarchies. I'd rather have one or two absolute dictators (so to speak) than an oligarchy.
Well, basically, we should keep the option *open* of having a "trusted" status, as we did before. It's basically silly, unjustified, to call this sort of thing a cabal. I think it's also silly to be very concerned that it might turn into a "cabal," too.
All this being said, I really don't see why we shouldn't just let all registered users edit the homepage. Seems like the most elegant solution all-round.
Larry
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