On 10/25/02 12:47 PM, "Larry Sanger" <lsanger(a)nupedia.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, The Cunctator wrote:
> On 10/25/02 11:02 AM, "Larry Sanger" <lsanger(a)nupedia.com> wrote:
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(1) The list you refer to is not of difficult
contributors, Cunc; it is a
list of *behaviors*. Read it again. And as long as we are going to ban
some people for some *behaviors*, we sure as heck *better* clearly define
those behaviors.
Basically, we shouldn't.
(2) I don't read MeatballWiki and I don't
think they define Wikipedia's
values for Wikipedia. We define our own values. I don't know if that's
what "avoiding CommunityExile" means, and I don't care. Are you saying we
should never ban anyone? That surely isn't your view, though; you thought
we should ban 24.
If you don't want to understand what I'm saying, then there's not much point
in trying to explain. But I'll continue for the benefit of others: I think
that ideally we should never have to ban anyone. I didn't think we should
ban 24. I didn't strongly think we should *not* ban 24, either. It was a
push, given the circumstances.
This is a
bit off the topic, but it came up and I can't let it pass. KQ
said recently that Cunctator is the project's *conscience*. Perhaps KQ
was just trying to be nice, but I think that is actually unfair to the
rest of us, who like to think we have a principled approach to the project
as well. It also accords Cunc respect as somehow *the* representative of
a *particularly* moral point of view, to whom the rest of us ought to pay
special heed--I disagree with that and I enjoin you not to accord *any*
one person such special respect. (I'm not sure KQ meant to imply all this
by "conscience of the project," and I also doubt, in his reasonableness
and modesty, that Cunc would reject the description when cashed out as I
have done, but I just want this to be clear.)
I suppose all this faint praise will make me a better devil's advocate...
I wasn't aware of even faintly praising you, but if you want to claim to
be faintly praised, go right ahead. ;-)
Just to raise your awareness: you granted me "reasonableness and modesty".
That's certainly praise, if faint.