People had
been putting up the complete text of books of the Bible,
the book of Mormons and the Koran. Those have been deleted by
Dissident in February.
These texts were discussed and moved
to Wikisource. Then they were moved
off Wikimedia and onto discussions on
YahooGroups. I kept in touch with Ensjo,
Dissident, and Almafeta about some of
these issues.
Yes, but in the process of transwikiing, the articles at some point
have to be DELETED FROM THE WIKI. If it's huge huge huge texts such as
the Bible, the Book of Mormon, and the Qur'aan, then IT'S NO WONDER
THAT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF KILOBYTES OF TEXT AND SO MANY WORDS
DISAPPEARED!!!
The fact remains that hundreds and
hundreds of articles were missing and
at that no record of deletions. But
contributors would make new entries
and these would disappear. It has
happened to me and to several
strong contributors on ia.wiki who
are disgusted with the project now.
But you notice, I haven't given up and
I am active in several wikis and I am
asking for a resolution to the matter.
"Hundreds and hundreds of articles" -- why not give some EXAMPLES so
people can check out your unbelievable story?
To everybody else, it seems like you're blaming Jcb for something he didn't do.
There was a
whole lot of inappropriate material added (articles in
other languages, year pages that contained no text except for on each
page the same explanation of what Interlingua was, entries with
nothing but a single translation, empty pages, vandalism), and there
was no sysop to clean it up. Then someone took on the job (I don't
remember who, but it was a German and I helped him) and deleted it all
in less than a week. Thus, for that month (August 2004) the number was
indeed negative.
So hundreds of thousands of words.
This is definitely not some articles
with a few words each, and definitely
some articles with a lot of text. Are
you telling me that you and this German
collaborator of yours decided to delete
willy-nilly without discussion and with
only the traces of Statistics Tables
to show your massive deletions?
Yes, and what's wrong? THEY WERE ALL APPROPRIATE DELETIONS.
But actually you could have had a
discussion with several of us admins,
why didn't you? Why not?
...Actually there were sysops around.
...And stuff was getting cleaned up also.
...And vandals blocked. And what is your
relationship to Interlingua and who is
this German fellow who you were
collaborating with? Why didn't you
discuss with some of the admins in
ia.wiki?
... I don't know about his relationship to Interlingua, but he is a
STEWARD. That means he has special privelages. He has a licence to
kill, so to speak, and you do not. He is trusted by the community, if
he sees a massive base of articles he feels need deleting, he can just
delete them without asking anybody. If somebody complains at a later
date, other stewards will check their complaints, and if it seems he
made an inappropriate judgement, his action would be reversed.
That of course was a matter of speech.
Jcb did unblock himself right away.
But I did post messages on discussion
pages on his own Dutch page and on
my discussion page and elsewhere on
ia.wiki and want the situation to be
resolved.
A situation that you can't prove is his fault!!!
Actually, I didn't get rid of anything after all,
did I, and now it seems you had a hand in
ia.wiki all along without discussing anything
with any admins that I know of. So I'm
pleased that things are coming out now.
BTW who is the German fellow you were
collaborating with? And why isn't he
communicating with the admins either?
That German fellow WAS an admin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Only admins
and stewards and developers and bureaucrats can delete
pages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
...
Ahh, and you said something about ME starting to annoy YOU. Well, you
have a really absurd attitude in this thread -- you've blocked a good
administrator because you _think_ he _may have_ deleted lots of
articles of which there is no record. If you don't know what was in
these articles, how do you know it wasn't appropriate to delete them?
AND MOST OF ALL, YOU YOURSELF ADMITTED YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THAT HE
DID IT!!!!!!!! You requested recently to be sysop at lad.wiki. I think
it's safe to say that's not going to happen anytime soon.
Mark
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"Take away their language, destroy their souls." -- Joseph Stalin