People had been putting up the complete text of books of the Bible, the book of Mormons and the Koran. Those have been deleted by Dissident in February.
These texts were discussed and moved to Wikisource. Then they were moved off Wikimedia and onto discussions on YahooGroups. I kept in touch with Ensjo, Dissident, and Almafeta about some of these issues.
Yes, but in the process of transwikiing, the articles at some point have to be DELETED FROM THE WIKI. If it's huge huge huge texts such as the Bible, the Book of Mormon, and the Qur'aan, then IT'S NO WONDER THAT HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF KILOBYTES OF TEXT AND SO MANY WORDS DISAPPEARED!!!
The fact remains that hundreds and hundreds of articles were missing and at that no record of deletions. But contributors would make new entries and these would disappear. It has happened to me and to several strong contributors on ia.wiki who are disgusted with the project now. But you notice, I haven't given up and I am active in several wikis and I am asking for a resolution to the matter.
"Hundreds and hundreds of articles" -- why not give some EXAMPLES so people can check out your unbelievable story?
To everybody else, it seems like you're blaming Jcb for something he didn't do.
There was a whole lot of inappropriate material added (articles in other languages, year pages that contained no text except for on each page the same explanation of what Interlingua was, entries with nothing but a single translation, empty pages, vandalism), and there was no sysop to clean it up. Then someone took on the job (I don't remember who, but it was a German and I helped him) and deleted it all in less than a week. Thus, for that month (August 2004) the number was indeed negative.
So hundreds of thousands of words. This is definitely not some articles with a few words each, and definitely some articles with a lot of text. Are you telling me that you and this German collaborator of yours decided to delete willy-nilly without discussion and with only the traces of Statistics Tables to show your massive deletions?
Yes, and what's wrong? THEY WERE ALL APPROPRIATE DELETIONS.
But actually you could have had a discussion with several of us admins, why didn't you? Why not? ...Actually there were sysops around. ...And stuff was getting cleaned up also. ...And vandals blocked. And what is your relationship to Interlingua and who is this German fellow who you were collaborating with? Why didn't you discuss with some of the admins in ia.wiki?
... I don't know about his relationship to Interlingua, but he is a STEWARD. That means he has special privelages. He has a licence to kill, so to speak, and you do not. He is trusted by the community, if he sees a massive base of articles he feels need deleting, he can just delete them without asking anybody. If somebody complains at a later date, other stewards will check their complaints, and if it seems he made an inappropriate judgement, his action would be reversed.
That of course was a matter of speech. Jcb did unblock himself right away. But I did post messages on discussion pages on his own Dutch page and on my discussion page and elsewhere on ia.wiki and want the situation to be resolved.
A situation that you can't prove is his fault!!!
Actually, I didn't get rid of anything after all, did I, and now it seems you had a hand in ia.wiki all along without discussing anything with any admins that I know of. So I'm pleased that things are coming out now. BTW who is the German fellow you were collaborating with? And why isn't he communicating with the admins either?
That German fellow WAS an admin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Only admins and stewards and developers and bureaucrats can delete pages!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ahh, and you said something about ME starting to annoy YOU. Well, you have a really absurd attitude in this thread -- you've blocked a good administrator because you _think_ he _may have_ deleted lots of articles of which there is no record. If you don't know what was in these articles, how do you know it wasn't appropriate to delete them? AND MOST OF ALL, YOU YOURSELF ADMITTED YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE THAT HE DID IT!!!!!!!! You requested recently to be sysop at lad.wiki. I think it's safe to say that's not going to happen anytime soon.
Mark
-- "Take away their language, destroy their souls." -- Joseph Stalin