Yes, indeed. Mark doesn't have any authority and/or credibility, as himself admits. He is very interested in closing/opening any wikipedia but he uses a very disruptive language towards the new users. This disruptive language shows his limited comprehension on wikipedias in various languages. In this way he discourage people who are enthusiast to close/open new wikipedias. He has no power to decide for such a decision at the very least he wants to ask for attention. Maybe this is explained by his early age in life. You can't have any authority having only 16-17 years.
His style is to demolish everything and has a strongly counter-effect, a strong negative one on what happens in Wikipedia. I checked his blocking log and shows a mean, very strong negative behaviour.
You appear to take an extremely keen interest in the closing / opening of wikipedias, more so than the average poster on this list. I am just worried about newcomers who are excited about creating a wikipedia getting discouraged because someone, without the community's backing, acted as though he had the power to approve or deny the request. This came out extremely strongly in your last message to Manuel.
I am not saying that you should stop being interested in the creation and destruction of wikipedias -- I am just worried about your style of discussing them.
Silas Snider swsnider@gmail.com wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160
Mark Williamson wrote:
Question: What authority do you, Mark, have over the creation of a new wikipedia? Are you a developer? I don't seem to ever see you contributing patches,
Put simply, I don't. I have no real authority. However, I do know that I have some sway, because different people have varying degrees of respect for me in the matter of languages. There are certainly those who don't trust me at all or who think I don't know much of anything at all about languages, but I think most people believe that I know quite a bit about languages but at the same time have problems with other things about me so they take most of my opinions/advice under advisement.
If some developer wants to create a Tetum WP immediately, I have no say in that. However, I'm pretty sure that the Wikimedia community as a whole will have much more enthusiasm for the creation of a Tetum Wikipedia if its test-wiki is more vibrant and is in 100% Tetum.
etc. on wikitech-l. In fact, almost all the posts that I can see of yours involve some kind of discussion over orthography or languages in various wikipedias, especially when discussing closing one.
From what you say here, it seems to me that you're a relative
newcomer. Before the Moldovan controversy, there was almost never any discussion about closing Wikis, given that the only 2 that have been closed so far are Toki Pona and Klingon.
I'm not sure what's wrong, though, with the fact that almost all of my posts are about languages -- is that a bad thing? Certainly, if you look at other posters, many of them tend to have areas of particular interest as well.
No, its not a bad thing, I was just trying to establish why I thought you were not a developer (in case it turned out that you were).
My point is: on what grounds do you consider it your job to be the arbiter of when a proposal for wikipedia creation is good enough?
Who said I do consider it my job? Besides you, that is.
You appear to take an extremely keen interest in the closing / opening of wikipedias, more so than the average poster on this list. I am just worried about newcomers who are excited about creating a wikipedia getting discouraged because someone, without the community's backing, acted as though he had the power to approve or deny the request. This came out extremely strongly in your last message to Manuel.
I am not saying that you should stop being interested in the creation and destruction of wikipedias -- I am just worried about your style of discussing them.
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Sincerely, Silas Snider
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