Hoi!
We do the same in pms. What it takes is a good admin structure, though, one capable to addres the edit wars that sometimes happen (because they do happen, it's just inevitable).
What IMHO they may do is to make up a group of people from both parties and generate an internal ArbCom that will represent all basic trends and manage to calm down the worst events.
To get to that point they may simply try and meet in front of a beer a couple of times and get to know each other personally (people who can look into each other's face often have much less conflicts then people who just exchange emails).
The weather is getting better in Kyiv, so I guess fishing will soon be a good social option in Belarus', too. :)
Berto 'd Sera Personagi dl'ann 2006 per l'arvista american-a Time (tanme tuti vojaotri) http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1569514,00.html
-----Original Message----- From: wikipedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alexander Cajcyc Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 4:14 PM To: GerardM Cc: wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Be-x-old
In that case a solution has already been found long ago, and the question is purely a technical one: one and the same Wiki, but with articles separated into "classical" and "official". As far as I know, this has already been implemented in other Wikis (e.g. Serbian?). So why not just doing the same with Belarusian Wikipedia?
czalex
-----Original Message----- From: GerardM gerard.meijssen@gmail.com To: "Alexander Cajcyc" czalex@bk.ru, wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:03:43 +0200 Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Be-x-old
Hoi, There is no choice when it comes to the names of the projects. The
standard
is explicit; a private label is indicated by an -x- at the right place in the label.
Having two projects is also something I would be against; it does not
bring
collaboration, it does not bring NPOV. You have to get your act together
and
history shows that you now have to compromise big time. It has been indicated that the actual differences are less than what you find in
English
... all the more reason to insist on collaboration.
Thanks, GerardM
On 3/30/07, Alexander Cajcyc czalex@bk.ru wrote:
Hi everybody
I agree with Gerard that we must not deepen the conflict and hould find
a
solution that would satisfy all of us.
Are we all, no matter the orthography, interested in the representation
of
Belarusian language in Wikipedia and in the usage of this tool for the
sake
of all Belarusian speakers no matter whether they prefer the classical orthography or the official one? Yes, we all are. So let's find some compromise.
I propose to leave the official orthography wikipedia where it is now,
OK.
But you just CAN'T allow the 6000 classical Belarusian Wiki articles to get lost! The fact that the Belarusian Wiki was created as a Wiki in Taraskievica is a illustrative example to that the classical orthography
has
an important place in Belarus now, especially amoung people who really
DO
speak the language on an every-day basis, while you can even see that
most
forum conversations in the official-orthography Wikipedia are being hold in... Russian [what is not bad itself].
So an ideal solution would be to rename be-x-old.wikipedia.org to, e.g., be-classic.wikipedia.org or bel.wikipedia.org and to open it for editing so that it could coutinue its effective functioning.
regards,
czalex
-----Original Message----- From: GerardM gerard.meijssen@gmail.com To: wikipedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:23:35 +0200 Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Be-x-old
Hoi, Please consider that if you have an option to work together, that you
have
to talk. That you have to give and take. That you will always feel
that
you
give more than what you get.
There are two groups of people who have fought each other in a space
where
such fights are not appreciated. Assertions have been made about
"your"
language, "your" orthography, by trash talking the "other" language / orthography. You do not get any sympathy in this way. When you want to achieve something, it will be more beneficial to be seen to cooperate
and to
find some coexistence.
When this coexistence is hard to get because of the enmity that has
been
created in the past, it only means that you will have to give even
more.
Thanks, Gerard
On 3/30/07, Monk monkbel@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
How can anybody say that Yury Tarasievich and his project is about language, not about politics, after such a letter? No facts, just insults and speculations.
You are an entity, yes, set out to destroy the existing Belarusian language and culture and replace it with your version -- okay,
your
right. But get yourself your own blessed language code for that.
This speculation with such aggressive words doesn't help your case,
it
can only make your case worse. I don't even hope any more that you understand that your outrageous insults are absurd. You just dig a
pit
for yourself by your own hands.
P.S. Some years ago I witnessed a creation of one of such sites you
call
"proofs". So, there was 1 tech and 1 editor, who re-edited
everything
incoming (like 90+% or even 99% in standard Belarusian and
Russian)
into his flavour of "classic". It was politics. Thousands pages
(and
I
mean real thousands, there was sort of 4800 or so) of pages.
And...
grant money. I could add -- near to zero interest, excepting the indexing bots.
Another great example of lies. Where could they get any incoming in "norm" if people just don't write in it?
Monk.
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