On 2/13/07, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Joshua Brady schreef:
On 2/13/07, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
Mark Williamson wrote:
Hi,
[[WP:NPA]] -- you're not going to get anyone's sympathy nor their attention if you call people stupid. [[WP:OWN]] -- you don't own any of the articles you wrote. You gave up all rights to the text when you submitted them to Wikipedia. They will not be deleted.
I would like to see how that would stand up in a court if wikipedia is denying me access without a valid reason (not a vandal etc).
Quite well, show me where you have a "right" to use a free service. Try contacting your ISP abuse department and asking them to be more proactive on handling abuse.
Waerth
- Josh
Hoi, When an organisation can discriminate without justification, it takes a risk that it will get its actions challenged in court. This is very much the American way. Walter's well rehersed argument is that this is not a new situation at all. This is indeed a story that sadly does not go away.
You go to an ISP when you are abused from someone who hides behind that ISP. Walter does not suffer in that way; it is the ISP itself that could do better.
Please understand the situation a little bit better before you say the things that you do. I do not mind to explain things, but it is rather obvious.
Gerard,
It of course takes a risk, but it has no legal basis. No one has an absolute right to access a particular site. It doesn't matter if the site is google, wikipedia, or ilovebigfurrykittens. This is not the "American" way, it is the way of people internationally. If someone cares to give me timestamps, and the IP who continues to abuse; I will give the abuse department a call myself to see if they can look into it.
I'm quite aware of the situation in question, and it is very unfortunate but wikilawyering isn't the way to go about it. Again I offer the solution, contact the ISP and let them know that a user is causing continued abuse, offer proof, and inform them if they fail to address the issue they will be denied access to xx-wikipedia (I am assuming this relates to nl-wikipedia so replace the xx with the proper language code). It will help if users from the ISP put pressure on the abuse department or contact; but shouldn't be needed.
Thanks, GerardM
- Josh