Hi everyone,
First of all Mark: As I said: "what is a native speaker" if you dream and speak it... well then I am a native speaker... or at least bilingual, besides, ALL LS people are bilingual, and as said, both versions are not mutually comprehensible (for the millionth time!)
Heiko, Slomox etc.: I don't mind if you continue on nds. besides it was never my goal to get you to go to nds-de. I just like to create a Dutch-LS Wiki, and confincing Mark that it's almost impossible to cooperate on one Wiki if both speakers don't understand each other. If nds-nl. gets created and you want a common portal that's fine with me, or we could just put a link on the homepage as I've done on my testpage.
(I won't vote to remove Heiko, that's just pure "evilness-ness" and "jealousy-ness-ness"!)
Now lets wait if it ever gets created... BTW I changed the title, was kind of necessary as the subject doesn't match the content!
Servien
2005/7/11, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com:
I've just dug up earlier discussions about the Platt Wikipedia, and about Patentplatt/Fernsehplatt in general.
See:
http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0505D&L=lowlands-l&... http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0506A&L=lowlands-l&... http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?S2=lowlands-l&q=patentplatt&...
Mark
PS: If Ron Hahn says that nds.wikipedia is in Patentplatt, are you telling us that Ron Hahn is wrong? After all, he's a native speaker and you're not.
On 10/07/05, wiki@marcusbuck.org wiki@marcusbuck.org wrote:
Hello.
I find it a bit weird, that you discuss about nds.wikipedia on the mailing list and not even post a message on nds.wikipedia. I found this discussion by chance after some people came into the wiki making changes without knowing really what they do.
Some people here are running down admin and other users of nds.wikipedia, which are the only people really active on that wiki for long time. They are engaged on making it a better usable resource in Low Saxon language and we introduced a common orthography based on the wordbook by Johannes Sass to make it consistent so you don't have to know all the regional variants of the language, which are for some cases mutually unintelligible. The orthography by Sass is based on the most widely used dialect, that is also mostly used when spoken in supra-regional media.
I think some people discussing here are speaking out of their ivory tower and don't know what is really going on at the "base". I see some Dutch engaged here. Let me say: Dutch variant of Low Saxon is not understandable for most of German Low Saxon speakers (Sure, they are understandable near the border). Some state the wiki is in Plattdüütsch rather than Low Saxon. This is so true as it is not true. Plattdüütsch is the most important variant of Low Saxon (Low Saxon is an academic classification) and the common name of the language in Germany. If no Dutch contribute it is no wonder, when the wikipedia is more and more germanized (or shall the German learn Dutch and Nedersaksisch to balance the Dutch contribution deficits?)
You don't need all your fingers to count all regular contributors to the wiki. Why do so much people argue here about the content of the wiki and nobody of the people, who obviously know so much about the language, contributes?
I'm a little bit angry because of the behaviour of some.
--~~~~ Greets, Slomox
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