Hi,
Ja precies, helemaal mee eens Wouter! (Het enigste wat niet klopt is "zij"; waarom denkt iedereen dat ik 'Servien' een vrouwennaam is haha!)
But anyway... if anyone would like to check out the differences please see: http://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6%C3%B6ftsiet and http://nds.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruker:Servien/Heufdbladsyde, the same site as the German-Low Saxon one, just in a different dialect and some changed etc.
Regards, Servien Ilaino (m.)
----- Original Message ----- From: "Wouter Steenbeek" To: node.ue@gmail.com, wikipedia-l@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Request for creation of Dutch-Low Saxon (nds-nl) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:06:36 +0200
As I noted before, it is a dialect continuum.
All of the continental West Germanic language variants form a dialect continuum, with the possible exception of the Frisian tongues.
Stellingwarfs and Middel-pommersch are surely not mutually intelligible, but Grunnegers and Oostfreesk very well should be.
Yes, so are Berlinic and High German. And East-Veluws and Dutch. But Grunnegers and Oostfreesk are not or barely mutually intelligible when written down, because of the different spellings.
You are foolishly dividing Platt by nations. This is illogical.
If we
had an Oostfreesk Wikipedia, Grunnegers-speakers would surely understand it and vice-versa, even though Grunnegers is in the Netherlands and Oostfreesk is mostly in Germany.
"Foolishly"... Mr. I-owe-all-the-world's-languages'-wisdom.... May I point at the difference in spelling once more? And don't you think that the bulk of the Dutch Low-Saxon dialects share some features most German dialects don't?
The problem of dialect continuum is a very difficult one.
Yes, so it can't be solved by one such disregarding message.
HOWEVER, given the community reaction to a request for a
Baseldytsch
Wikipedia, I think the same is logical for a request for a "Dutch
Low
Saxon" Wikipedia
Is it? Is Servien requesting a Wikipedia for just one town, or region? No, she obviously realises that, though the speaking communities hardly link dialects on any higher level than their own region (they will never say they speak Low Saxon, but always either the dialect of their own village or region, Twents, Sallands, Drents etc.), we should group some of them together. This is very different from what the proposer of the Baseldytsch Wikipedia did: he simply said: "I have no affinity with the other Alemannic dialects, so I want to open one for my dialect only".
-- your language may be different to whatever degree than what many people on X Wikipedia use, but there is no rule forbidding its use. There is no rule against writing pages and
pages
and pages of content on nds.wiki in Stellingwarfs or Achterhooks.
When
I suggested doing this, I got a cold response that Dutch Low
Saxon and
German Low Saxon aren't mutually intelligible. Before whinging to
us
about that, can you at least actually try to use your dialect on nds.wiki to prove to us that it really doesn't work?
Some users of nds: made clear that they only use one spelling: the Sass one. Dutch Low Saxon dialects are /never/ written in German spellings, except with some German-initiated projects.
Mark
Imo, the combined facts of mutual confusion in both speach and spelling makes this idea a valuable one.
Wouter
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