OK, I've done some more calculations. From the 33 users with the most
edits before 30 days ago, 36.4% (12) were primarily users of
Traditional Chinese.
Percentage of edits made by primary TC users before 30 days ago was 31.1%.
So, edits by people who used primarily Simplified Chinese went from
67.4% down to 55.0%.
Geographical breakdown:
57.6% (19) Mainlanders;
21.2% (7) Taiwanese;
12.1% (4) Hong Kongers;
06.1% (2) Canadian.
03.0% (1) unknown.
One Canadian simplified, one Canadian traditional.
Geographical breakdown of edits:
65.9% (178232) Mainland;
15.5% (42040) Taiwanese;
11.8% (31981) Hong Konger;
05.2% (14099) Canadian;
- 03.7% (9974) Traditional in Canada (70.7% of Canadian total)
- 01.5% (4125) Simplified in Canada (29.3% of Canadian total)
01.5% (4022) unknown.
So again, a fall in Simplified users.
But keep in mind that these edit counts are from the beginning of zhwp
until 30 days ago, so it's not nessecarily a short-term trend.
Cheers
Mark
On 22/11/05, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Based on a mostly unscientific calculation...
Of the 33 zhwp editors with the most edits over the last 30 days,
51.5% (17) were primarily users of Traditional Chinese.
In total, these 33 people have made 16570 edits over the last 30 days.
Percentage of edits made by primary TC users was 45.0% (7466).
I never did such a check before the blocking of Wikimedia in China,
but I'm guessing percentages were quite different.
A more specific breakdown based on current geographical location:
42.4% (14) were in the PRC;
24.2% (8) were Taiwanese;
21.2% (7) were Hong Kongers;
09.1% (3) were Canadians;
03.0% (1) was in Germany.
All of the users in PRC and Germany were users of Simplified. All
users in Taiwan and HK were users of Traditional. 2 users in Canada
were Traditional, 1 simplified.
Geographical breakdown of edits:
50.6% (8379) were from Mainlanders;
21.7% (3594) were from Hong Kongers;
18.0% (2979) were from Taiwanese;
06.4% (1065) were from Canada;
-- 05.4% (894) were from Traditional users in Canada; (83.8% of Canadian edits)
-- 01.0% (172) were from Simplified users in Canada; (16.2% of Canadian edits)
03.3% (553) were from Germany.
My guess is that pre-block, it was much more concentrated on
Simplified users and users from the Mainland.
Cheers
Mark
On 22/11/05, Andrew Lih <andrew.lih(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/22/05, Walter van Kalken
<walter(a)vankalken.net> wrote:
I will send it again as I have a feeling I am
being ignored
As I was told that we shouldn't do anything so the Chinese wikipedia
would get unblocked I am curious ...... is it still blocked? If so I
feel we should change tactics.
A letter was sent by Wikipedian Shizhao in Beijing to the relevant ISP
to request the site to be unblocked.
You might also find this recent post from Jimbo interesting.
The argument that I put forward in my talk in Tunis at the World Summit
on the Information Society can be summarized as follows:
1. Wikipedia is neither critical nor supportive of the Chinese
government. We are not a site for dissidents nor for government
supporters. We are neutral. NPOV is non-negotiable. It is impossible
to portray Wikipedia as anti-Chinese government unless the Chinese
government wants to argue that neutral information is anti-Chinese
government, and I don't think that's what they intend to say at all.
2. It isn't *just* that Chinese people cannot read any of Wikipedia,
most of which is not about political or sensitive topics at all. It is
that Chinese people are unable to *express* their views and culture in
the Chinese Wikipedia or English Wikipedia or anywhere else, so long as
Wikipedia is blocked. Since, I am told, the Chinese wikipedians tend to
have more of a "mainland" view of things, as compared to Chinese living
in Taiwan or Hong Kong, the ironic effect of the Chinese censorship is
to censor the mainland perspective on world affairs.
It is fine to criticize the Chinese government for censorship of
criticism. But my argument was not about that at all, since we are not
critics of the Chinese government. My argument was that censoring
Wikipedia in China is ironically censoring *the rest of the world* from
hearing the voice of the Chinese people.
--Jimbo
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