On 08/09/06, ilooy ilooy.gaon@gmail.com wrote:
2006/9/8, Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com:
Also, I have been accused of sockpuppetry many times before. [...] On yi.wp I was banned because danny doesn't like me. I don't recall being banned on any other wiki [...] he banned me for speaking out. Toki Pona was a long time ago, 4 or 5 on yi: (most to try to circumvent Danny's ban), and 3 on one other Wiki which is quite inactive right now. I never "vandalised" it. I simply didn't agree with your orthography, and as the case turns out to be, nobody else does either. Changing orthography to something a bit more kosher is not "vandalism".
But Mark look at the pattern above. Is that anyway to behave at Wikipedia?
Being accused? That's the behaviour of others, not me.
Being banned? Unless you mean permabanned, many well-respected users have been banned on one occasion or another (usually for something like violation of the 3RR), and there isn't nearly enough oversight on administrative action at small Wikis, so for example me being banned at yi.wp in its infancy was not subject to community approval because there was no community (but the one there now positively loves me).
Having sockpuppets? Almost everyone does. I admit it, so do I. But I don't have a whole lot,I never use them really, and I have never abused them.
And the Andalusian Test wiki didn't have my preference for a phonetic spelling, it used the '''NOA''' convention which is a bit standard in music lyrics etc. for flamenco songs, poems etc. So the one that was more NPOV got deleted. The Wikia Andalu site has received a lot of attacks from vandals. But If someone posts in another spelling convention it isn't reason to ban anyone, the problem is deletion of work. Since you mention 'kosher' I'll remind
Well, if that's what you're accusing me of, having a history of simply deleting the Andalusian Test-WP, then you are quite wrong. I have never once done that. I support the creation of an Andaluz Wikipedia, just not on YOUR terms -- you were not the original requester; there are many orthographies for the language, and you should not be allowed to unfairly dominate.
you of the deletions you made in the Ladino wiki, reverting the spelling to hebrew characters several times and deleting the romance spelling with Latin characters which is in fact preferred by several discussion lists in Ladino and newspapers and magazines in the Middle East and in other places around the world.
I don't seem to recall doing that -- on the LAdino Test-Wiki, I did, and you certainly *accused* me of doing it on lad.wiki. And on the Test-Wiki, it wasn't vandalism. You don't have sole creative control over anything, and when you think Latin letters should go first, or that they should even be included, that is subject to community consensus, and I was simply being bold.
Also, I wonder, what's the point of having a Ladino Wiki in latin characters? Sure, it's a bit different from Castellano, but it's basically the same as Nuevomejicano (New Mexican Spanish), with some Hebrew and Aramaic words here and there, and Nuevomejicano certainly doesn't deserve its own Wikipedia. Written in the Latin alphabet, LAdino hardly deserves its own Wikipedia -- it is really mostly identical to Castillian, as evidenced by the fact that many articles on lad.wp are simply copied and then converted to the "phonetic" orthography used by LAdino.
On the other hand, the Hebrew alphabet is the historical and still the most popular alphabet for writing Ladino, and a version in Hebrew letters would not be redundant.
Do you not see that your pattern of behavior causes problems within the Wp community? This is what I meant by m.o. (modus operandi). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_operandi
I'm not dumb, I know what m.o. means. However, I do not see a pattern of behaviour, and as far as I can tell, you have caused at least as many problems as I have, or more.
Mark