No, there is no arbcom because there are only two active users -- the
blocking admin, and the blocked admin.
If there were other admins, I would never have unblocked myself
(although for whatever reason, when I am blocked, it won't let me edit
my talkpage, even though it's not locked). However, I have been an
admin there for much, much longer than has he, and I felt that in fact
it would've been more reasonable for me to have blocked him than
vice-versa.
As noted in other e-mails on this thread, it is very rare for admins
to block each other and usually only happens in the case of eg a
compromised account. Jeff Merkey blocked me because he said I am
"breaking the rules", but he doesn't seem to have a very good handle
on policy.
Mark
On 20/02/07, xaosflux <xaosflux(a)gmail.com> wrote:
IMHO one, or both, of you need to be desysoped.
In general you should not unblock yourself unless the block message states
it, or it is your autoblock AND somone else already unblocked you.
Does your project have an ArbCom that can take care of this dispute?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Delirium" <delirium(a)hackish.org>
To: <wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Admins blocking each other
Mark Williamson wrote:
I have a couple of questions.
First of all, in what circumstances should an admin block another admin?
Second of all, is it somehow "dishonest" for an admin to unblock
themselves when they honestly believe they have done nothing wrong?
Does it make them untrustworthy if they do not observe a block imposed
upon them by another admin?
I can only speak for consensus on the English Wikipedia, and don't know
how far these are universal, but on en:
1. An admin generally cannot block another admin (or any other
established user, for that matter), except in emergencies like
vandalbots, or specific circumstances like a 24-hour block for 3RR
violations. Those sorts of blocks are the Arbitration Committee's
job---unilateral blocks by a single admin are only for cases like anon
vandals or vandal-only accounts, not for blocking established users who
have gotten engaged in disputes.
2. An admin is not generally supposed to unblock themselves, but instead
place an {{unblock}} request on their talk page and wait for another
admin to do it for them.
So I guess by en: standards, both sides in your description would be in
the wrong. But some things are a little different---presumably small
wikipedias have no ArbCom, and also don't have enough admins for an
{{unblock}} request to be likely to be seen. So that's a bit of a
problem.
-Mark
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