Latgalian is going in the same way as Samogitian. Soon Samogitian will have
iso. It will be ZOG. For now it use bat-smg. The latgalian will have iso,
too, I hope because Latgalian have more tradition than Samogitian. When
Samogitian wiki was starting we decided to use bat-smg. I think the best
code for now is bat-ltg. To write about dictionary differences can proposer.
I'll tell him.
Arns
2006/10/17, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hoi,
There are two issues.
* What/ is/ the code for the moment
* Get recognition for Latgalian as a language.
People have considered languages like Min-Nan and Yue as a dialect of
Chinese for a long time. They HAD to use codes like zh-min-nan because
this was necessary to comply with the standards. At this moment we have
7602 languages that are recognised in ISO-639-3. This is a big
improvement over what was in ISO-639-2. The ISO-639-3 codes will become
part of how languages are seen in the near future on the Internet. I am
afraid that Latgalian is at this moment considered a dialect of Latvian.
I am also sure that there are many other "languages/dialects" that are
in a similar situation. Either because people are afronted because what
it considers a language they consider a dialect or the other way around.
There are also many people who consider something a dialect of for
instance Italian while everybody knows that Italian was constructed
after the unification of Italy and, that Italian is based on Florentine.
The point I am making here there is a lot of confusion and there is a
lot of posturing based on bad information. Having to base the code for
Latgalian on Latvian is the best for the moment.
When you consider Latgalian a language, there are processes open to us
to have this considered by organisations like Ethnologue and ISO. We
have contacts that may help us achieve this. In order to get to that
stage, it is necessary to jump through certain hoops. One of these is to
demonstrate that there is indeed this difference that warrants Latgalian
to be considered a language. Aspects of this are also showing literature
and current use of the language. One of the first resources would be a
Swadesh list where both Latvian and Latgalian can be compared.
FYI I am from an area of the Netherlands; Westfriesland where they used
to speak a language; Westfries. It has a literature; it has a grammar it
is not understood by people who speak Dutch. There are dialects of
Westfries there are dictionaries of Westfries and there are revival
societies that give cabaret performances in Westfries. At some stage I
am sure that someone will ask for a Wikipedia in Westfries. I would not
stop them. I KNOW that it takes relatively little effort to make the
case for Westfries. In WiktionaryZ I would welcome dictionaries in
Westfries or Latgalian... NB Westfries is not West Frisian .. which imho
is a complete misnomer.
Thanks,
GerardM
Zordsdavini iz Litvy wrote:
latgalian has long tradition of writing system.
It was in 1918-1944
second
official language. Considering of dialect status
is political. And there
are
very active people which are working on latgalian
language life. It's
dialect like neopolitanian or venecian. We say it's the language.
Arns
2006/10/17, GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>om>:
> Hoi,
> The code bat is a "collective code" for Baltic (other). Latgalian
however
> is
> considered a dialect of Latvian and therefore it is not "other".
>
>
http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=lav
>
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=bat
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 10/17/06, Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/17/06, GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> According to Ethnologue Latgalian is a dialect of Latvian. From my
>>>
> point
>
>> of
>>
>>> view, there is not even a proposed code to be used for your proposed
>>> Wikipedia that would be acceptable. Acceptable would be something
like
>>> "lv-latg" or
"lav-latg" ..
>>>
>> There's a test wiki at
http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-wp/ltg
>> The code bat-ltv has been suggested.
>>
>> Angela
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