From what I understand, at least of Miloš's view, he hopes one day to have a united Neo-Štokavian Wikipedia, perhaps called the "Wikipedia in Our Language" or something similarly uniting.
That means, I think, that everybody here has, ultimately, the same goals.
Whether or not sh.wiki would eventually be the breeding ground for a Neo-Štokavian Wikipedia is uncertain.
But one thing which is certain about sh.wiki: it has already served to unite people from different countries under the same goals. A large group? No. But, a group nonetheless. I know that among the main supporters of sh.wp, some are based out of Serbia and others out of Croatia. I don't think there are any Bosnians nor Montenegrins (nor Zlatiborians ;p) involved, though.
The main issue seems to be the current structure of sh.wiki.
If sh.wikipedians really dream that some day, all speakers of Serbo-Croatian "languages" can be united with one Wikipedia, I think it is up to them to take the first reconciliatory step, namely, form community ties with the Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian Wikipedias.
Also, a power structure needs to be formed. Although it should be OK to block a person who is unquestionably vandalising pages, anybody else should be blocked, but later it needs to be discussed with the other admins. A full agreement should be reached among admins before making a final decision.
Also, for better oversight, I think sh.wp should try to recruit people from other Wikipedias, or recruit non-Wikipedians to join sh.wp. With a larger community, there is a bigger diversity, and eventually more admins, which leads to better oversight of admin actions.
Really, sh.wiki is not in a position to be confrontational. In English, there is a saying, "you get more flies with honey than with vinegar", which means, you will get further by diplomacy and attempts at reconciliation and genuine goodwill, than petty bickering.
Someone will probably say, "Oh, well, *we're* not arguing, it's them." But this is never the case. For any argument, there are two people.
And it's obvious that many people here share the same ideals.
And let's get one thing straight -- NOBODY, again, NOBODY (save perhaps Mav) wants to FORCEFULLY unite projects without democratic agreement from all of them.
Mark
On 11/01/06, Milos Rancic millosh@mutualaid.org wrote:
On 1/11/06, Dejan Cabrilo dcabrilo@gmail.com wrote:
Milos, you first said that nobody tagged POV articles as such, and that I should've. We concluded that I did. Now you are saying that I didn't attempt to improve them, but did tag them. I did try to improve some, but I was constantly reverted and even rolled back by some admins (I can look into those). So, don't tell me I am not saying truth again, please.
Try it again with ONE article, first (please, use some which where you are more familiar) and if you would have some problems, they will be solved. But, please, don't behave aggressive.
It doesn't matter if our edition is called Serbo-Croatian, or Neo-Shtokavian, or "our language". It's about not being country, or ethno-centric, but information centric.
Do you think that building one more community is a right way to make differences smaller? I don't think so. In this moment the right way is, as I see, to work inside of present communities. When sh: grows up to 10 people, we would have a lot more difficult situation because the space for possible merging would be filled with one more community.
However, as I said, one of the important reasons why I am not for closing sh: in this way is a possibility of deactivating couple of active sh: Wikipedians.
In other words, the only possible way for relocking of sh: is your (i.e. sh: Wikipedians) intention to do so; as well as your start to work in all of other three encyclopedias/communities on the long process of merging content. Is it possible?
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