From what I understand, at least of Miloš's view, he hopes one day to
have a united Neo-Štokavian Wikipedia, perhaps called the "Wikipedia
in Our Language" or something similarly uniting.
That means, I think, that everybody here has, ultimately, the same goals.
Whether or not sh.wiki would eventually be the breeding ground for a
Neo-Štokavian Wikipedia is uncertain.
But one thing which is certain about sh.wiki: it has already served to
unite people from different countries under the same goals. A large
group? No. But, a group nonetheless. I know that among the main
supporters of sh.wp, some are based out of Serbia and others out of
Croatia. I don't think there are any Bosnians nor Montenegrins (nor
Zlatiborians ;p) involved, though.
The main issue seems to be the current structure of sh.wiki.
If sh.wikipedians really dream that some day, all speakers of
Serbo-Croatian "languages" can be united with one Wikipedia, I think
it is up to them to take the first reconciliatory step, namely, form
community ties with the Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian Wikipedias.
Also, a power structure needs to be formed. Although it should be OK
to block a person who is unquestionably vandalising pages, anybody
else should be blocked, but later it needs to be discussed with the
other admins. A full agreement should be reached among admins before
making a final decision.
Also, for better oversight, I think sh.wp should try to recruit people
from other Wikipedias, or recruit non-Wikipedians to join sh.wp. With
a larger community, there is a bigger diversity, and eventually more
admins, which leads to better oversight of admin actions.
Really, sh.wiki is not in a position to be confrontational. In
English, there is a saying, "you get more flies with honey than with
vinegar", which means, you will get further by diplomacy and attempts
at reconciliation and genuine goodwill, than petty bickering.
Someone will probably say, "Oh, well, *we're* not arguing, it's them."
But this is never the case. For any argument, there are two people.
And it's obvious that many people here share the same ideals.
And let's get one thing straight -- NOBODY, again, NOBODY (save
perhaps Mav) wants to FORCEFULLY unite projects without democratic
agreement from all of them.
Mark
On 11/01/06, Milos Rancic <millosh(a)mutualaid.org> wrote:
On 1/11/06, Dejan Cabrilo <dcabrilo(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Milos, you first said that nobody tagged POV
articles as such, and
that I should've. We concluded that I did. Now you are saying that I
didn't attempt to improve them, but did tag them. I did try to improve
some, but I was constantly reverted and even rolled back by some
admins (I can look into those). So, don't tell me I am not saying
truth again, please.
Try it again with ONE article, first (please, use some which where you
are more familiar) and if you would have some problems, they will be
solved. But, please, don't behave aggressive.
It doesn't matter if our edition is called
Serbo-Croatian, or
Neo-Shtokavian, or "our language". It's about not being country, or
ethno-centric, but information centric.
Do you think that building one more community is a right way to make
differences smaller? I don't think so. In this moment the right way
is, as I see, to work inside of present communities. When sh: grows up
to 10 people, we would have a lot more difficult situation because the
space for possible merging would be filled with one more community.
However, as I said, one of the important reasons why I am not for
closing sh: in this way is a possibility of deactivating couple of
active sh: Wikipedians.
In other words, the only possible way for relocking of sh: is your
(i.e. sh: Wikipedians) intention to do so; as well as your start to
work in all of other three encyclopedias/communities on the long
process of merging content. Is it possible?
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