There is some proposal right now at the talk page of the Konknni Test.
Script usage largely corresponds to individual varieties of Konkani --
Kannada script is used for dialects in Karnataka, Devanagari is used
in Maharashtra, Roman script is used in Goa. However there are issues
here as well, although Goa only has one dialect (and even more
confusing, Hindus and Muslims in Goa may use Devanagri or Arabic
script respectively to write the Goanese Konkani, although majority of
Goans are, afaik, Catholics and prefer writing it in Roman alphabet).
Despite proposals on talkpage to have several parallel
dialect/script/article versions in one single Wikipedia edition, this
seems very unreasonable. To conver scripts (for example if we have
Goanese only, to convert from Roman to Devanagri and Arabic and, with
quite a bit more work perhaps vice-versa), that is certainly
reasonable, but I don't think it makes sense to try to house multiple
mutually unintelligible linguistic entities in one Wiki as was
propsoed by Deepak D'Souza. Goanese is the one that is official and
most spoken afaik, it should be able to get a Wiki sooner probably
because it seems most supporters now are from Goa.
Often in situations like this that have occurred with other test-Wikis
(for example North Frisian), proposers mention unity and content of
articles in various dialects in a unified Wiki exemplified by
nds-nl.wp, however before using such example it is important to note
that each case is different, dialect diversity in different places is
never equal, so nds-nl is not the exact same level of homogenous and
heterogeneity as will be Konkani varieties, nor North Frisian
varieties. Before implementing such a proposal to have a Wikipedia
which combines multiple varieties, it is important to have input from
native speakers of each variety who can testify that it will work, and
to leave the possibility open in the future for a split in case it
does not go as was planned.
In this situation I hope that we can hear maore from Frederick
Noronha, and if a unified Konknni Wikipedia is in fact proposed, it
will certainly be necessary to hear from speakers of ALL Konkani
varieties to prove that it is feasible so we do not end up with a
nother Lombard debâcle from the start.
Mark
On 10/03/07, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hoi,
I think it is best to indicate opposition as soon as possible. Even with
thirty people on a kok wikipedia there are now sufficient reasons to
deny the project. Without a good write up explaining how a kok wikipedia
would respect the seven languages that are now split off from this code,
I am against the creation of this project
Thanks,
GerardM
Mark Williamson schreef:
Isn't it also better if we wait for the
required 5 users? Right now it
seems there are only two.
Mark
On 10/03/07, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
> It is that simply a matter of picking and choosing. This project was
> "voted" into being, It proved to be fractious for good reason; there
> being more than one language behind the kok ISO-639-2 language code.
> There is already a fight over the script, I think it best when we have a
> proposal on how this is to be settled.
>
> Without such a proposal I am dead against it moving to a full WMF language.
>
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
>
> Mark Williamson schreef:
>
>> GOM, if not KNN. As Frederick is Goan and that is (afaik) the major
>> variety, I can but assume that is the one they will use.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 09/03/07, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Frederick Noronha schreef:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Yeah, I'm trying... but it has not been very easy convincing others
>>>> about what seems to be a "counter-intuitive" idea ...
("anyone being
>>>> able to edit me writing... whaaat?")
>>>>
>>>> We're also having a script war going on here amidst Kok. But I think
>>>> it will happen one day, hopefully sooner rather than later. FN
>>>>
>>>> On 10/03/07, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Well, you could certainly take the lead by writing good articles for
>>>>>
http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/kok/ . It is currently empty
>>>>> because of lack of participation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Hoi,
>>> I have had a look at Konkani, the code currently in use on the Incubator
>>> will not necessarily lead to new project. Konkani is in ISO-639-3 no
>>> longer considered to be a single language. There are currently seven
>>> languages that all make up Konkani; they are
>>>
>>> Katkari [kfu
>>> <http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=kfu>] (India
>>> <http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=IN>)
>>>
>>> Konkani [knn
>>> <http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=knn>] (India
>>> <http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=IN>)
>>>
>>> Konkani, Goanese [gom
>>> <http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=gom>] (India
>>> <http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=IN>)
>>>
>>> Kukna [kex
<http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=kex>]
>>> (India <http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=IN>)
>>>
>>> Phudagi [phd
>>> <http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=phd>] (India
>>> <http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=IN>)
>>>
>>> Samvedi [smv
>>> <http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=smv>] (India
>>> <http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=IN>)
>>>
>>> Varli [vav
<http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=vav>]
>>> (India <http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=IN>)
>>>
>>> This means that you can forget about a script war; the paricipant of
>>> these script wars will probably belong to one of these seven. The first
>>> battle you will have to fight is the clarification of what it is that
>>> you want.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> GerardM
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