Salve!
Am Donnerstag, 19. Februar 2004 16:50 schrieb Jimmy Wales:
The moral argument is the one that matters. Should we make use of materials that are available only to us because of our special circumstances, or should we follow a purist GNU philosophy?
I think we all know what Richard Stallman would say, and I for one will agree with him completely.
You know the spirit of GNU, but you don`t know what he would say.
At the moments the discussions of wikipianer is narrow minded: "Are I`m allowed to copy this without asking someone" instead of starting a discussion "How can you motivate Copyrights owner to contribute one impressfull picture to the Wikipedia"?
So I would please Richard Stallman to tell us: "You are only asking for free resources - come on guys start to learn to programm your one code (make the photos yourself) AND learn the soft skill to motivate people to support your project and share a view of their personal pictures."
BTW, when we discuss the problem with Richard, I would not be surpriced when we would get another licence, the GNU-FPL (Free Picture Licence). I`m in favor for hash codes and fingerprints like PGP to include all important informations insied this signd file - GNU-FDL is not perferct for pictures.
But back to motivate you to think about how to learn the soft skill for asking for contribution. I have worked on one artikel about one new lonly island in Germany [[de:Kachelotplate]] and I found two webpages with an aerial photo of this island and I have asked both to get one picture for the use with GNU-FDL. The one wepage was a public authority and they excuse that they haven`t the right for this picture, but they forwarded my mail to the photographer.
Today, 10 days later I got a call form a very kind airman who had make this pictures and he was impressed by our articels about aviation - he offerd a full CD with many pictures of this island and he lifes on another island and he got many ideas who to ask for more contribution for artikles and pictures ***g***
So know I`m sure we will have more than one aerial photos from only one island.
I agree that asking people for contribute, support or join the wikipeadia needs time - but in this case it was the work of 1h and we have now new friends. If you don`t ask, you can save 1h but some people you may make angry and you will never have a chance again to win them as friend for our project.
==Advertisement for NGOs/GOs== See [[de:Sable Island]] - for this artikle of an island befor the cost of canada I found a picture made by NASA from the space shutel. There condition to use is:
For astronaut photography of Earth accessed through this website, please state "Image courtesy of Earth Sciences and Image Analysis Laboratory, NASA Johnson Space Center." We recommend that the caption for any photograph published include the unique photo number (Mission-Roll-Frame), and our website (http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov) so that others can locate or obtain copies when needed. We always appreciate notification of beneficial uses of astronaut photography of Earth-information on your applications. This will help us continue to maintain these services for the public. Send e-mail to earthweb@jsc.nasa.gov.
- Does this be conform with GNU-FDL? - What does you think about the legend under the picture in the artikel
This picture is IMHO a good exampel for a picture description:
Bild:Sable_Island_NASA_300x301_from_EFS_highres_STS059_STS059-216-79.jpg (I will ask NASA for the missing information WHO has made this picture *g*)
So I think you got my point:
It´s not only the question what picture is copy free, its more the question, how do I ask blandest and friendly to get a GNU-FDL conform contribution. ;)
And I`m sure to get all picures I want for both island articles during this year - WITH GNU-FDL!
If that means less images for now, then it means less images for now. It also means that we have a very strong incentive to develop free alternatives.
Past & Copy: - This can everybody do :( - this will make wikipedia not special - Important picture informations will not be used - This will not find new wikipianer - And will bring us in danger of bad headlines and losing these pictures in future, or for some countries....
Greetings rob
See also: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: image copyright (Robert Michel, Thu Feb 19 12:36:19 2004)
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I will stress that concentrating on existing pictures and existing licences are a little narrow minded.
The Wikimedia Foundation should be a
beacon of what is possible with copyright freedom, and we should not allow anyone to ever point at our work and say "Yeah, they talk the big talk about free licensing, but what would their site be without all those proprietary licensed images and fair use exceptions?"
If that means less images for now, then it means less images for now. It also means that we have a very strong incentive to develop free alternatives.
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