I was describing to someone how Wikipedia works:
"anyone can edit" etc.
He answered with this argument:
"Wikipedia is the triumph of the average person!
of the man in the street!)"
(average meaning: not good, not bad, just OK)
I asked "why?"
His explanation:
"Great brilliant works are built by individuals.
Groups of people can only create average works.
If someone writes something good in the wiki,
other average persons will intervene with his/her
work and turn it into an average work. If someone
writes something bad in the wiki, the others will
again turn it into something of average value.
with your system (meaning: Wikipedia's system)
you can be sure that you will never create
something too bad but also never something too
good. You can create only average articles."
The idea behind his argument was that Wikipedia
will be a good resource as long as it attracts
good cotnributors. but it will soon become an
average site/encyclopaedia because it allows
anyone to join the project and edit, and most
people are just average persons and not brilliant
writers.
Do you think it's true? and how can we answer
this argument?
--Optim
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On Sunday 28 July 2002 03:00 am, The Cunctator wrote:
> What are the articles this person has been changing?
For 66.108.155.126:
20:08 Jul 27, 2002 Computer
20:07 Jul 27, 2002 Exploit
20:07 Jul 27, 2002 AOL
20:05 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
20:05 Jul 27, 2002 Leet
20:03 Jul 27, 2002 Root
20:02 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:59 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:58 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:54 Jul 27, 2002 Principle of least astonishment
19:54 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
19:52 Jul 27, 2002 Trance music
19:51 Jul 27, 2002 Trance music
For 208.24.115.6:
20:20 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
For 141.157.232.26:
20:19 Jul 27, 2002 Hacker
Most of these were complete replacements with discoherent statements.
Such as "TAP IS THE ABSOLUTE DEFINITION OF THE NOUN HACKER" for Hacker.
For the specifics follow http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Special:Ipblocklist
and look at the contribs.
--mav
Is this a bug or is it a feature?
Just wanted to know what happens to the 'talk' section of a Wikipedia entry
once (or if) a page gets shifted.
I noticed that the earlier discussions (that might have come up via the
Talk) just disappears.
Now, this isn't very helpful. Because all the earlier talk seems to be
untraceable, and there is a complete vacuum about what was said earlier.
If anyone wishes, this system can be abused (for instance, to cover earlier
discussions... by simply changing the title of the page).
Am I missing something here?
FN
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There is an option to move the talk page alongside the subject page
On 22 Feb 2017 5:17 PM, "Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك
نورونيا" <fredericknoronha(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Please could you give a link pointing to the old 'talk' page for this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Richard_Gutjahr
And, how is it possible to keep track of a 'talk' page, once the main
page's heading is changed?
FN
On 20 February 2017 at 14:48, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या
*فريدريك نورونيا <fredericknoronha(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Continuing a thread from some time back:
>
> Is it possible to get back the earlier discussion from this page
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Richard_Gutjahr
> prior to it being shifted?
>
> (The page was earlier called Journalist Richard Gutjahr)
> After the name was changed, the earlier discussion is not easily
> accessible, or someone visiting a page would not get an idea of what was
> said about it.
>
> I'm concerned that there might be some systemic flaw with the way the
> Wikipedia works here.
>
> Any change of name in a page could result in the loss of all the earlier
> discussion, or make it difficult to find. Even if it's very relevant to
the
> page as currently renamed.
>
> Please note, that this page has since got a "may not meet Wikipedia
> notability guidelines" tag, which I think could be a sign of things going
> wrong due to a flaw in how the software works.... and the fact that the
> earlier discussion is not easily accessible now.
>
> FN
>
> On 23 December 2016 at 20:25, Ben Salvidrim <benoit_landry(a)hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> "Redirecting" an article normally means editing the article to replace
>> its content with "#REDIRECT [[Target]]". It shouldn't affect the talk
page
>> whatsoever.
>>
>> What might be confusing is that, for example, if you redirect [[Foo]] to
>> [[Bar]] (by editing [[Foo]]'s content to be "#REDIRECT [[Bar]]"), by
>> afterwards navigating to the [[Foo]] page you are automatically
redirected
>> to [[Bar]] (that's the whole point), which means the "Talk" tab at the
top
>> will lead to [[Talk:Bar]]. The talk page for [[Foo]] is still at
>> [[Talk:Foo]] but to access it, you will need to either navigate to it
>> directly, or if you go to [[Foo]] and it loads [[Bar]], you should have a
>> note under the page header that says "(Redirected from [[Foo]])", where
you
>> can click on the link to [[Foo]] and thus load the [[Foo]] page without
>> being redirected, and then the "Talk" tab will lead to [[Talk:Foo]].
>>
>> Hopefully that makes sense! If you tell us exactly what page you're
>> talking about we'll be able to help you more precisely.
>>
>> ========================================
>> ~ Ben / Salvidrim!
>> · English Wikipedia Administrator & SPI Clerk
>> · Wikimedia Canada member
>> · UTRS Ambassador
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Wikipedia-l [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On
>> Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha ????????? ???????? *??????? ???????
>> Sent: 23 déc. 2016 03:09
>> To: Wikipedia mailing list <wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Losing the 'talk' discussion on a page....
>>
>> This happened with me once. I redirected a page (for entirely legitimate
>> reasons), and to my surprise and horror found that the 'Talk' page
>> accompanying it had more or less vanished, and could not longer be easily
>> accessed. Maybe it was still available somewhere, but it was not easy to
>> find, nor was it linked to the main entry of the page.
>>
>> My intention in this case was not to hide the Talk page (since it had
>> some valuable discussion, and multiple points of view on it).
>>
>> It just struck me that if there was some controversial content, the best
>> way anyone wanting to block or censor it (the Talk page) would be to
>> redirect a page!
>>
>> My question: (i) are the earlier talk pages easily find-able after a page
>> has been redirected elsewhere? (ii) is there some way they can be made
>> prominent, so that the earlier discussion is also available for the
record?
>>
>> Thanks and regards,
>>
>> Frederick.
>>
>> On 22 December 2016 at 21:15, Ben Salvidrim <benoit_landry(a)hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > If you tell us what page you’re talking about Frederick, we might be
>> > able to help you locate the talk page you can’t find. ☺
>> >
>> >
>> > ========================================
>> > ~ Ben / Salvidrim<https://salvidrim.net/>!
>> > · English Wikipedia Administrator & SPI Clerk
>> > · Wikimedia
>> > Canada<https://ca.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page>
>> > member
>> > · UTRS
>> > Ambassador<https://utrs.wmflabs.org/team.php#tamb>
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Wikipedia-l [mailto:wikipedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Ynhockey
>> > Sent: 22 déc. 2016 10:25
>> > To: Wikipedia mailing list <wikipedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Losing the 'talk' discussion on a page....
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The person who moves the page can specify whether the talk page moves
>> > with it, so either it moves with the actual page, or stays behind with
>> > the old title. In any case it isn't deleted.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > —Yan (User:Ynhockey).
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 12:01 AM, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक
>> > नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا <fredericknoronha(a)gmail.com<mailto:
>> > fredericknoronha(a)gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > Is this a bug or is it a feature?
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > Just wanted to know what happens to the 'talk' section of a
>> > > Wikipedia
>> >
>> > > entry once (or if) a page gets shifted.
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > I noticed that the earlier discussions (that might have come up via
>> >
>> > > the
>> >
>> > > Talk) just disappears.
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > Now, this isn't very helpful. Because all the earlier talk seems to
>> > > be
>> >
>> > > untraceable, and there is a complete vacuum about what was said
>> earlier.
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > If anyone wishes, this system can be abused (for instance, to cover
>> >
>> > > earlier discussions... by simply changing the title of the page).
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > Am I missing something here?
>> >
>> > >
>> >
>> > > FN
>> >
>> > >
>> >
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