--- Wouter Steenbeek <musiqolog(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Wouter wrote:
> > > Suppose, by comparision, that I suggested for fun that orthodox Muslims
> >were
> > > right in saying homosexuals should be executioned. I don't think that
> >would
> > > make you smile; in your position, I would ask for immediate removal of
> >the
> > > offender from the mailing list and permanent blocking on Wikipedia.
> >
> >Why on earth should such a person be blocked?
> >
> >-- Matt
>
> Because I would take it serious and don't want people with this and similar
> views to edit Wikipedia.
Why shouldn't people with such views edit Wikipedia? What about NPOV (Neutral
Point of View)?
-- Matt
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Wouter wrote:
> Suppose, by comparision, that I suggested for fun that orthodox Muslims were
> right in saying homosexuals should be executioned. I don't think that would
> make you smile; in your position, I would ask for immediate removal of the
> offender from the mailing list and permanent blocking on Wikipedia.
Why on earth should such a person be blocked?
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I feel that this tool should be rarely if ever used to find sock
puppets. If this tool simply tells you which accounts have been used
from which ip address this is not enough evidence to prove the use of
"sock puppet" accounts. I for instance access Wikipedia via a machine
which has no real ip address but rather shares a real ip address with
several hundred machines. I know for a fact that other people on my
network use Wikipedia, and I have no doubts that some of them will be
browsing similar pages as me. So, while this tool might be helpful, I
feel that it provides far too much opportunity for abuse if it were to
be allowed to be used by the general population. Admins already block
IPs in similar ranges when fighting "vandals" often blocking
legitimate users. Also, this tool could and would provide a huge
invasion of privacy by potentially removing anonymity from the use of
Wikipedia. Please let this tool be a last resort in serious cases.
On Apr 11, 2005 11:42 PM, Angela <beesley(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Requests have recently been made to the Board asking for verification
> that a user is sockpuppeting on one of the larger Wikipedias. At least
> two of the developers felt this was a matter for the Board or for an
> arbitration committee (although that Wikipedia doesn't have an
> arbcom), and were therefore not happy to give out details about the IP
> address of this user. Checking IPs is no longer a developer-only task
> since a new feature allows sockpuppet checks.
>
> [[Special:CheckUser]] allows a user with "checkuser" permissions to
> find all the IP addresses used by a particular logged in user, and to
> show all the contributions from a given IP address, including those
> made by logged in users.
>
> Currently the only people with the necessary permissions to use
> CheckUser are Tim Starling (who wrote the code for this) and David
> Gerard (who uses it on behalf of the English Wikipedia Arbitration
> Committee).
>
> This data is only stored for one week, so edits made prior to that
> will not be shown via CheckUser. A log is kept of who has made which
> queries with the tool. This log is available to those with the
> checkuser permissions.
>
> I would personally like to see this feature be made available to more
> communities than just the English Wikipedia, but I am concerned about
> potential misuse of it, and the violation of privacy for users who
> have not been disruptive. I would appreciate any comments about this
> feature, and answers to the questions below, either here or on on Meta
> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CheckUser>.
>
> Do you think this feature should be made more widely available?
>
> If so, who should be given access to it?
>
> Should it be limited to stewards, or to wikis with arbitration committees?
>
> Does the privacy policy
> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Privacy_policy> need be adjusted to
> allow the use of this feature?
>
> Angela.
>
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--- Walter Vermeir <walter(a)wikipedia.be> wrote:
> Not a real internet radio. Only one "program" of a couple of minutes
> every week. That is important, that there is always on a fix date a new
> version. If not it will be dead very soon.
Heh - Jimbo could have is weekly radio address right after GWB. :)
-- mav
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Is there any source for news occuring within Wikimedia? I read today that Jimbo expects the English Wikipedia to be ready for a 1.0 release by the end of 2005; but I read it in ZDNET, and there's not a mention of it on the actual 1.0 page, nor on the Village pump, nor on the mailing list?
Does the article "Walking like an Egyptian"
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walking_like_an_Egyptian) actually have a
point? Does anyone seriously believe that ancient Egyptians may have
walked in a particularly odd fashion (as the article seems to imply). I
was considering editing it but the whole thing seems a bit pointless. As
a Wikipedia newbie I'm not sure how to mark an article as a candidate for
deletion (if indeed I can) and wanted to see what others thought of this
article.
As an aside I was in Cairo some years ago and was having particular
trouble getting across one of the roads near Tahir Square one day. A kind
Egyptian gentleman approached my travelling companion and I and offered to
help us across. The exchange (in English) went something like this:
Him: "To get across this road you must walk like an Egyptian".
I was immediately reminded of Pat Benatar and wondered where he was going
with this.
Me: "How do you mean?"
Him: "Close your eyes, step out and pray to Allah."
As soon as he said this we stepped out on to the road. As you can see I
survived in order to be able to contribute to Wikipedia :)
Rob
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Ant wrote:
>When I met Gerard in Rotterdam, he said "hi, I am Gerard". I answered I
>did not know him... Could not recognise a name though it is a name used
>in France...he had to spell it :-)
For a lot of non-Dutch speakers neither my first name nor my surname is
pronouncable. Neither would they understand them when I do pronounce
them myself. Surprisingly my first name is much harder than my surname.
To englishman I would most times introduces myself with an anglicized
version of my middle name - Henry - to evade the complexity of my first
name. For an englishman to pronounce my surname, here is the guide. Look
puzzled when reading, murmur two letters, embarrassingly look around for
help, give up - if I see that I know an englishman sincerely tried to
pronounce my surname. I do not answer questions about my first name.
As a rule of thumb, the dialect changes every 3 miles from the
North-Sead to the Alps through the Netherlands and Germany. Only
listening to local people in villages on such a trip you would not be
able to tell the border between the Netherlands and Germany. More
generally, in the USA the dialect varies enormously from state to state,
and even within states. For sure a Texan could tell Jimbo is not Texan
by only listening
Ad Huikeshoven
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I think the term "Minutemen (vigilantes)" is POV as the term vigilantes
has negative overtones in English. I think it would be better to list the
article under the title "The MinuteMan Project".
Thoughts, comments, flames?
Rob
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Hi all,
Registration for Wikimania, the first international Wikimedia conference
is now possible on http://wikimania.wikimedia.org
We'd like to invite all participants of the wikimedia projects to join
this big event in summer 2005.
Wikimania will take place from 4th to 8th august 2005 in Frankfurt am
Main, Germany. The event will combine Wikimedia community discussions
and software hacking with academic research, presentations of current
implementations, and user/community panels. Wiki fans, community
members, and developers are all invited to attend.
We are also encouraging presentation and content submissions for the
conference; for more information, see the call for papers
(http://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_papers).
Please pass this message along to all Wikimedia projects, in english or
translating it (for coordination see
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/Wikimania/Announcement)
If you'd like to help or have ideas for the conference, don't hesitate
to contact us at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania:Feedback (or
just ask here on the mailing list).
Wikimania is an event from the community for the community - it will
live from your participation ;-)
greetings and hope to see you in summer,
elian,
for the Wikimania organisation team