Wikipedia-l November 2005

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Brazilian Portuguese
by Marcio Pereira 27 Nov '05

27 Nov '05

--------- Mensagem Original -------- De: wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org Para: wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org <wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org> Assunto: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Brazilian Portuguese Data: 22/11/05 15:27 > On 11/22/05, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > It seems quite interesting to me that this is at least the second > > request we've seen with regards to Portugues do Brasil. > > > > A while back, somebody was adding pages in "Brazilian" at br.wiki > > (really for the Breton language), too. > > > > I certainly don't think it needs a separate Wikipedia, but it's an > > interesting consideration. > > > > Mark > > Is this really significantly different from the division in English > around the world, or various regional dialects of French? > > -- > Sam Sorry, I don´t know about the division in English or French dialects. In Brazil, the language has a lot of verbs and words that has different meanings to the same in European Portuguese. Also the correct writing is different in a lot of ways. The interface of almost all the programs is translated to Brazilian Portuguese to be more accepted in the country. "File" is "Ficheiro" in the portuguese translation and "Arquivo" in Brazilian translation. "Display" is "ecrã" in portuguese and "tela" or "monitor" in Brazil. The "pt" is changed to "pt-br" to eliminate the confusion. You can say a whole phrase that has two different meanings in Portugal and Brazil, using the same words. That could lead to interpretation mistakes from time to time. Also there will be confusion on the correct writing, since the articles are not written in the correct way used in Brazil. The language (with all the differences) is used by 180.000.000 people. I don´t know if that is significant difference to the Wikipedia standards, to justify a Brazilian Portuguese project. It is for a lot of other projects. Is it significant ? > _______________________________________________ > Wikipedia-l mailing list > Wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikipedia-l > __________________________________________________________ Mensagem enviada usando o Webmail da ViaLink ver. 2.7.8

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] A voluntary developers Request
by daniwo59＠aol.com 26 Nov '05

26 Nov '05

Hi All you have to do is to start editing. It will probably be best if you pick a user name first. Once you begin editing, you can apply for adminship. Danny

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Fwd: [Wikipedia-l] Re: User Jcb deleting articles in ia.wikipedia.org
by Mark Williamson 26 Nov '05

26 Nov '05

And... yet again, it is proven that it's not a good idea to send somebody a rude or brash e-mail offlist expecting that it won't get out. If you send a nice, polite off-list e-mail, of course, you can expect it'll stay private. But when you're not nice, there are no guarantees. Mark ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: ilooy <ilooy.gaon(a)gmail.com> Date: 25-Nov-2005 07:04 Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: User Jcb deleting articles in ia.wikipedia.org To: node.ue(a)gmail.com 2005/11/25, Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com>: > Sure. > But Jay (or is it Ilooy? Or Jacinto??) still doesn't seem to get the > basics of sysophood. Yes Mar, my name is "Jacinto" it's shortened to "Jay" for friends, ILVI is my nickname since High School, pronounced ee-loo-ee because... But you know what, perlas ante porcos you don't seem to get the basics of dealing with people either. > He seems to think that _anonymous users_ were resposnible for the mass > deletions, and has blocked them for that. No, Mark, no. There were malicious attacks going on, blanking articles meant they disappeared from the Statistics tables. Some of these were later deleted although originally there was text on them. But see you don't know and yet you run your mouth. > Anybody who has been at Wikipedia rfor long will know how ridiculous > that is. Anons cannot delete articles!!! Sometimes you indeed say ridiculous things because you don't seem to know what you're saying and talk about something you know little of. Which is just too sad. So leave me be, Mark. I don't want this silly back and forth to go on. Understood. Thanks, Jay B. [[User:ILVI]] -- ilooy.gaon(a)gmail.com -- "Take away their language, destroy their souls." -- Joseph Stalin

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A voluntary developers Request
by Ahmad Najib Biabani 26 Nov '05

26 Nov '05

Dear Sir/Madam greetings! With due venerations it is stated that i am an Afghan citizen, and Afghani or Pashto is my mother tongue. I was very glad when I saw in your website that you have a separate Wikipedia in the mentioned language http://ps.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page, but unfortunately the website is not developed to the standereds of other Wikipedia webpages. I am applying for the voluntary developer of Pashto language Wikipedia. Now if you please let me understand that why is it possible for other users of pashto Wikipedia that they can change the appearance of the first page according to their own wills. I think you guys should limit the access of Wikipedia editors. I mean those who are registered users of Wikipedia should have access in editing the main page of Pashto Wikipedia. There was one thing else that i wanted to make clear, and that is if it is possible to change the navagation tools, search bar and tool box options into main language. I mean it is easy to translate and replace it with the english language that has been used in the main page. Please provide me with some informations about how can i become a permanent voluntary editor of Pashto Wikipedia. I promise in developing the pushto wikipedia according to the standards of other wikipedias. yorus faithfully Ahmed Najib Biabani

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Wiki about every person in the world
by Milos Rancic 25 Nov '05

25 Nov '05

As I saw some time ago, one Wikipedian has such project. Is there a wiki with that purpose (Wikicity or some other)?

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User Jcb deleting articles in ia.wikipedia.org
by ilooy 25 Nov '05

25 Nov '05

Dear fellow wikipedians, The regrettable situation at ia.wikipedia.org has gone on for too long. Numerous articles have disappeared... ...editors were not told about this in their discussion pages... Articles were deleted at the whim of someone who acquired administrator access and has gone on with this behavior despite the warnings and even pleadings of several users in the ia.wikipedia.org community. This behavior will not be tolerated. I have blocked the Trojan-horse admin and his IP address. This person is not the only one who has done this type of activity at the ia.wiki ...and... to substain this type of abuse is just intolerable. Hundreds and hundreds of articles have been deleted since this wiki reached its highest amount of submitted articles. Since then many contributors have walked away from the project disgusted that the articles they were working on were deleted. Many of the articles were deleted because they were "mere stubs". The reason they are stubs is because many folks are still working on these articles... Is this the situation in other Wikipedias... to delete stubs willy-nilly? I think not! I consider this attack on the ia.wiki to be akin to vandalism. It has got to stop and it better stop soon. Whatever I can do to halt this form of abuse I will do. And so would any other reasonable member of this community. I'm sure. Sincerely, Jay B. [[ia:Usator:ILVI]] In Interlingua Car collegas wikipedian, Le situation regrettabile al ia.wikipedia.org ha continuate pro troppo tempore.. Numerose articulos ha disparite... ...redactores non esseva informate de isto in su paginas de discussion... Articulos esseva delite al gusto de alcuno qui obtineva accesso como administrator e ha sequite con iste comportamento abusive non obstante le appellos per varie usatores in le communitate de ia.wikipedia.org Iste comportamento non sera tolerate. Io ha bloccate iste admin Cavallo-Trojan e su adresse de IP. Iste persona non esseva le unic qui ha facite iste typo de activitate in le ia.wiki ...e... supportar iste typo de abuso es intolerabile. Centos e centos de articulos esseva delite desde que iste wiki habeva colligite su numero plus grande de articulos submittite. Desde tunc, multe contributores ha vadite via disgustate del projecto proque le articulos con le quales illes laborava esseva delite. Multes de iste articulos esseva delibe pro que illos esseva solmente un "semine de articulo". Le ration que illos es solmente un "semine" es que multe gente ancora labora con lor redaction... Es iste le situation in altere Wikipedias? ...deler le semine de articulos a gusto proprie? Io non lo crede. Io considera iste atacco contra le ia.wiki esser quasi un forma de vandalismo. Isto debe stoppar e illo debe stoppar tosto. Qualcosa que io pote facer pro poner un halto a iste forma de abuso, io lo facera. E tamben facerea assi qualcunque membro rationabile de iste communitate. De isto io es secur. Sincermente, Jay B. [[ia:Usator:ILVI]] -- ilooy.gaon(a)gmail.com

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Preserving GFDL requirements when splitting articles
by Michael Crouch 24 Nov '05

24 Nov '05

I'm trying to improve the English Wikipedia's documentation on article moves, and I had a GFDL question. I hope this is the right place; feel free to point me elsewhere. Articles on En are often split in a cut-and-paste way, with material from one article removed and put into another article. None of the documentation (that I can find) mentions anything about maintaining the necessary authorship information. I've been told several times (on [[Wikipedia:Help desk]] and [[Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)]]) to simply mention in the edit summary "This material moved from [[Foo]]". Is this adequate for the GFDL requirements? I know we might not have a perfect solution to this, but I didn't want to add anything to the documentation without making sure it was correct. In case it helps, I'm trying to update [[Wikipedia:How to rename (move) a page]] and [[Wikipedia:How to break up a page]]. -- Creidieki

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Wiki about every person in the world
by . .. ...herebox.org... .. . 24 Nov '05

24 Nov '05

on en: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kmweber/List_of_Everyone_Who_Has_Ever_Liv… disambiguation is one of many problems. ~12 billion entries is likely well beyond the scalability of the software. Indeed even ~1 billion entries. In my opinion, this belongs in a genealogy targetted database. http://www.google.com/search?q=genealogy -mike ( en:user:here )

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response of a prominent educator on the ban of schools and libraries of Wikipedia
by GerardM 23 Nov '05

23 Nov '05

Hoi, I have been given to share this with you http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Search_vs_Research_-_Marc_Prensky . At the I&I conference in Lunteren the Netherlands, I was given by Marc. Thanks, GerardM

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wikisign.org supports all wikipedias with over 10'000 articles
by Filzstift 22 Nov '05

22 Nov '05

Hello wikipedia-l, FYI: The SQL query tool http://www.wikisign.org now supports all wikipedias with over 10.000 articles, including the en-wikipedia. The jp- and co-dump seems do be wrong, I hope I can add those wikipedias with the next dump. A great thank again to the translators which translated the interface of Wikisign into 12 languages. I would also be happy if someone can check the english interface (I made it myself with my quite poor english). Improvements: The LIMIT of the query records was 500, now the LIMIT is 2000. Queries with a output size of over 2MB will be dropped, so a stupid query like "select * from cur" doesn't go Wikisign in trouble. The mail function isn't working well (Problem: many providers doesn't accept mails from a dynamic IP address or mail relays). If you have questions or ideas for improvements, you can leave a message at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Filzstift/wikisign.org or send me a mail Filzstift -- www.wikisign.org - SQL-Abfragen durchführen

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