I've just reverted over 200 edits on the toki pona Wikipedia. Someone
apparently feels the language is copyrighted so decided to replace
every page, including user pages and the main page, with a copyright
violation notice, presumably with the use of a bot. I've reverted
these, although unfortunately the "bot rollback" failed on later pages
so recent changes is a mess. I haven't deleted anything, so if people
want to see the pages, such as "copyviopedia" this person created they
can still do so.
As far as I am aware Sonja Kisa, the creator of the language, has
released it under the GFDL, but I can't find any mailing list evidence
to back this up.
If this is not the case, the wiki should obviously be removed but
vandalizing hundreds of pages is not the way to go about this. I
suggest we wait to hear from Sonja on the status of the copyright and
remove it she can not confirm it is GFDL.
> As far as "very young contributor", I think it is not fair to
> judge my actions only by my age...
I think the point Jens Ropers was making is that your age and
inexperience should mitigate the impropriety of your actions.
I would recommend learning two new skills that will make your work with
other wikipedians more rewarding and successful. 1) wait a day before
posting a reply, and 2) always approach other people's posts with an
attitude that says "I understand you have something valuable to say, and
I'm sure I could learn a lot from you." If you do these two things,
I'll bet you'll find that people are much more open to what you have to
Another funny thing about resistance is that the more you push the more
people resist. This cycle can keep going for a long time, but it
requires that both sides keep pushing. If you stop fighting and work on
some problems that both of you care about, you will often find that
resistance melts away.
Since you've continued to reply to the whole list, I want to offer you one
final, simple piece of advice here:
Acknowledge that you made a mistake, apologize, say you won't do it again,
and don't explain further why you felt it was justified.
I think that all of us would be happy to see this matter drop and all move
forward in a positive manner, and your taking those actions will most
certainly achieve that.
At 07:30 AM 9/23/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>While I do appreciate advice, I find it extremely annoying that
>everybody seems to think I need heaps and heaps of it. Frankly I am
>getting more than a little irritated over that.
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Redaziuni <info(a)linguasiciliana.org>
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:40:36 +0200
Subject: Re: Wikipedia, l'enciclopedia gratuita, libera, i
multilingue, in lingua siciliana
To: Mark Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com>
thank you for your email and apologise for the late answer.
I can confirm you the support for the creation of the Sicilian wikipedia.
LinguaSiciliana web site is made up by a LinguaSiciliana Forum that has got
at the moment more than 350 members.
I will post your message into our Forum and I and the others members wil be
happy to help and contribute into the creation of the Wikipedia in Sicilian
The project is maching with the main LinguaSiciliana organizasion's
Please do not hesitate to contact me for any further information.
Mark Williamson writes:
> Ciao a tutti.
> I apologise in advance for not knowing very much Sicilian or Italian.
> Perhaps you have heard before of Wikipedia? http://it.wikipedia.org/
> <- the Italian wikipedia
> Right now, on the Wikipedia mailinglist, it is being discussed whether
> maybe we should create a Sicilian wikipedia. So far there are no
> Sicilians in the discussion, and people think there should be at least
> a couple of Sicilian speakers willing to make at least a small
> commitment to helping build a free online encyclopedia in Sicilian.
> So I ask you these two questions:
> 1. Do you support the creation of a Sicilian-language Wikipedia?
> 2. If a Sicilian-language Wikipedia is created, do you think you might
> contribute to it?
> Mark Williamson
Ultimately I don't think there is any way we can or should control the
information in Wikipedia in such a way that it would be acceptable to the
security services of China, nor is there any way China with its unstable
political situation can tolerate the information contained in Wikipedia. I
am especially concerned that Wikipedia offers the temptation to people who
reside on the mainland to speak their mind which can result in crippling
consequences for themselves and their families.
> From: Jiong Sheng <sheng.jiong(a)gmail.com>
> Reply-To: Jiong Sheng <sheng.jiong(a)gmail.com>, wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org
> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 10:44:55 +0000
> To: wikipedia-l(a)wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikipedia-l] wikipedia is big in China six was once blockade
> Shizhao has again made a formal request to the authority for the lift
> of the blockade. Not sure what's the exact reason yet. There are
> possibly two reasons: 1) A user called [[User:Yaohua2000]], who was
> once blocked by zh: for vandalism and was rejected for his apllication
> for admin, yesterday threatened to report Wikipedia to the government
> for spreading information related to Falun Gong and Taiwan
> Independence. We don't know if he acutally did that and it is because
> of his action that resulted in the blockade.
> Another possible cause would be the extensive coverage of the banning
> of another famous BBS board in mainland that was banned recently.
> YTHT, one of the most popular BBS boards in China was banned few weeks
> ago and all other BBS boards were explictly warned not to discuss this
> issue. But of course zh Wikipedia still has an article on this event
> and many former users from YTHT now joined us. This could also have
> exasperated some officials.
> I don't know if this time the ban can still be lifted, but the
> experience tells us that, after the ban in June, we took three months
> to recover. And when we finally reach the same level in June in term
> of daily visits, we are banned again.
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 08:34:38 +0000 (UTC), shizhao <shizhao(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On September 23, the wikipedia is big in China six was once blockade again.
>> [[Zh:user:shizhao]] have already confirmed this news from the cstnet.
>> Wikipedia-l mailing list
> Wikipedia-l mailing list
as [[User:formulax]] mentioned in
The guy called [[User:Yaohua2000]] today upload a text file,
in which contains passwords of some users, to threaten us.
we deleted the file immediately.
but the situation seems very dangerous for us now,
one can steal the password of our users.
The flood vandalism in Zh: serveral months ago was took by [[User:Yaohua2000]].
This guy seems to be very clever but very evil also.
Some other users in Beijing had confirmed the ban, but I can still access wikimedia so far.
Some others in Shanghai and Nanjing reported they can access wikimedia also.
Experience from the last blockage in June, if the government decide to ban,
it will take several days to perform the ban in the whole nation.
will see whether or not.
As you probably all know, I get my subscription to this mailing list in
digest form. I shot off a reply last night after a few ales, and forgot to
cull out the "reply" part of the mail, resulting in me sending a whole
message digest to the whole list. It was a pretty silly thing to do, and I
do apologise if I annoyed anyone through my carelessness.
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The news about blockage is not confirmed by other Wikipedians in Mainland China yet.
I still can access the whole Wikimedia projects now.
We'd better wait to see whether we are blocked or not.