I vote to add the disclaimer at the beginning of our wikipedia article:
''This entry is based on an article from the [[1911 Encyclopedia
Britannica]].''
I'd like to ask a native speaker to change the manual accordingly.
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>On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 19:21, Tim Starling wrote:
> > After a discussion on wikitech-l titled "bot approval request", we
>decided
> > that perhaps it would be better if my bot were implemented on the server
> > side, so that everyone could use it, and so that it would be relatively
> > efficient. I offered to do the coding, on the condition that someone
>will
> > block me if I try to make any ordinary edits -- I don't want Wikipedia
> > totally taking over my life :)
> >
> > Anyway, here's my proposal. I originally posted it on wikitech-l, but it
> > drew no responses. What I'm suggesting is a significant extension to
> > Special:Movepage capabilities.
> >
>Another good question is how to change the links...
>
>say you are moving page "A" to "B".
>
>Is the wikitext on a page that has
>
> See also [[A]]
>
>changed to
>
> See also [[B]]
>
>or is it changed to
>
> See also [[B|A]]
>
>?
It is indeed a good question, and the best answer is almost certainly
[[B|A]]. In the application I'm interested in, almost all the links were
already "see also [[A|B]]" and I want them changed to "see also [[B]]". In
both cases, the visible text is unchanged. In Tarquin's application, the
links would have to be changed from [[Image:A]] to [[Image:B]].
Specifically, I want to change [[Brisbane, Queensland|Brisbane]] to
[[Brisbane]]. But someone might disagree with me, so later they use the same
feature to change my [[Brisbane]] to [[Brisbane, Australia|Brisbane]].
Another link might have gone [[Brisbane, Queensland]] ->
[[Brisbane|Brisbane, Queensland]] -> [[Brisbane, Australia|Brisbane,
Queensland]].
Note that if there was already a link saying "for other uses of 'Brisbane'
see [[Brisbane]]", such links would have to be first changed to [[Brisbane
(disambiguation)|Brisbane]], again using the new feature. If a someone
forgot to do this, an annoyed old hand could easily revert the naive
changes.
-- Tim Starling.
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At Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:49:51 -0800 (PST),
Zoe (zoecomnena(a)yahoo.com) wrote:
>
> Wow, for somebody who's never posted before, you certainly have an
> aggresive personality.
Never posted HERE before. ...and you have no idea of of my
personality. Why do you feel you have to make this personal?
> Don't EVEN try to tell me to be silent, or
> you'll be in for more than you can deal with.
WOW. An OVERT THREAT by a Wiki ADMIN to a NEWBIE.
Sorry, its a little lost on me. Should I be scared?
> My point is, that you are making this process MUCH too cumbersome
> for the majority of users.
OK, real criticism. Thank you. I think that with the right
mods, we could make the whole process very transparent to the
user. The whole point is to get the user to resolve ambiguities
at the time of adding a link, and not leaving it for others
to do later.
> Zoe
> Gary Curtis <wikiman(a)freemail.com.au> wrote:At Mon, 31 Mar 2003
> 17:29:29 -0800 (PST),
> Zoe (zoecomnena(a)yahoo.com) wrote:
> >
> > Are you trying to drive away half of the contributors to the
> > 'pedia?
> > Zoe
> > Gary Curtis wrote:Hi people.
> > This is my first post to wikipedia-l, and its a biggun.
> -- original post snipped ---
>
> What a truely useless reply!
It was useless. You brought nothing to the table except angst.
> You obviously has strong views on this proposal or you would
> not have resorted to such inflammatory language.
Judging from the reply, you certainly do have strong views
on this subject. Saying that I am "trying to drive away half of
the contributors to the 'pedia" IS inflammatory.
> Please offer constructive criticism or remain silent.
Nowhere in this sentence do I try to TELL you anything.
I respectfully ("Please") requested that do one of two things.
Thank you for choosing to provide some constructive criticism.
Gary Curtis
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Is there a way to see your watchlist across languages?
I mean, I'd like to see my English and Esperanto
watchlist combined onto one page. Is this possible
now or do I have to wait for the next version of
Wikipedia?
Thanks,
Chuck
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At Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:40:12 +0100,
tarquin (tarquin(a)planetunreal.com) wrote:
>
>
> Gary Curtis wrote:
>
> >I propose a number of changes to the Wikipedia software to
> >enable "software assisted context resolution", or if you
> >prefer "software assisted disambiguation". The primary purpose
> >of these changes is to allow users to more easily resolve
> >ambiguous links at the time they are created, or if necessary,
> >at some later stage. I stress that this is not "automatic"
> >link resolution, although the process will be invoked
> >automatically in many cases.
> >
>
> Well we sort of already have this...
> Maintenance page -> disambiguation pages with links
>
> :-)
>
> The other mechanism we have for this is Plain Old Brainpower -- if
> you
> write in a certain area of the Wikipedia for some time, you come
> to know
> which pages are disambiguation and which aren't.
Frankly, this proposed mod is not for users of the skill level
of tarquin (or say mav or zoe). They don't need "software
assistance", but would probably use it ;-).
It is for Jack or Jill Average, who adds a link to [[mercury]]
with little thought that there are so many mercury's. I want
the software to "protect" the database from this user's well-
intentioned edit. Not that the user is going to do any real
damage here, but if the user resolves the link then someone
doesn't have to do it later.
Gaz
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> Judging from the reply, you certainly do have strong views
> on this subject. Saying that I am "trying to drive away half of
> the contributors to the 'pedia" IS inflammatory.
On this point I agree with Gary. A little while ago I suggested what I felt
was a small and reasonable change. Someone promptly bit my head off without
bothering to tell me what was wrong with my idea. I remain leery of
suggesting any future ideas even though I still don't understand what was so
blasphemous about the idea I suggested. Strange accusations like "Are you
trying to destroy the pedia?" is not the way to foster constructive
discussion about the possibilities of the software or the content.
Matt
At Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:29:29 -0800 (PST),
Zoe (zoecomnena(a)yahoo.com) wrote:
>
> Are you trying to drive away half of the contributors to the
> 'pedia?
> Zoe
> Gary Curtis <wikiman(a)freemail.com.au> wrote:Hi people.
> This is my first post to wikipedia-l, and its a biggun.
-- original post snipped ---
What a truely useless reply!
You obviously has strong views on this proposal or you would
not have resorted to such inflammatory language.
Please offer constructive criticism or remain silent.
Gary Curtis
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At Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:29:58 -0800 (PST),
Axel Boldt (axelboldt(a)yahoo.com) wrote:
> --- Gary Curtis <wikiman(a)freemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> > It is for Jack or Jill Average, who adds a link to [[mercury]]
> > with little thought that there are so many mercury's.
>
> Yes, that's a real problem; when linking to something, you can
> never be
> sure whether the target is a disambiguation page or not.
>
> Here's a slightly simplified version of your proposal: whenver you
> hit
> "Preview", the software presents you with a list of all those
> links on
> the current page that point to disambiguation pages. Ideally, each
> such
> disambiguation page would be given along with a list of all the
> "real"
> pages the disambiguation page points to, to make the fixing of the
> current article easier.
>
> Axel
Yeah, I thought about this. I think it would make the Preview"
page too busy. That is what led me to the think it should be on
a subsequent (avoidable) page.
As the mod to the original page would already be saved when this
proposed page is run, any mods to links should probably be blocked
from the RC list.
Gaz
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Hi people.
This is my first post to wikipedia-l, and its a biggun. I've
been mulling over this idea for a while now and have finally
gotten the electrons moving...
I propose a number of changes to the Wikipedia software to
enable "software assisted context resolution", or if you
prefer "software assisted disambiguation". The primary purpose
of these changes is to allow users to more easily resolve
ambiguous links at the time they are created, or if necessary,
at some later stage. I stress that this is not "automatic"
link resolution, although the process will be invoked
automatically in many cases.
The process, detailed below, is invoked in two ways. The
first would be manually and explicitly by the user. The
secound would be automatic when an article with new or
modified links it saved.
To enable this process to be invoked manually I propose that
a new meta-link be added to the footer of every page that
contains at least one link (most pages). IMHO, an appropriate
position would be between "Edit this page" and "Discuss this
page". It would read "Resolve links", and invoke a page titled
"Resolving links from (real title)". This new page would look
identical to the original except that the destination of each
link is changed to a "context selection" page as detailed below.
Note that it is entirely possible (and probable) that many links
will point to UNambiguous pages. "Context selection" pages will
still be generated for these links as the user may have found
the first instance of ambiguity and will need to deal with it.
The "context resolution" process would also be invoked when an
article is saved, and the article contains new or modified
links. In this case the "context resolution" page would not be
a mimic of the real page. Rather, a short list of new or modified
links would be generated in the form of an alphabetized list.
The "context selection" pages are generated from the articles
currently known as "disambiguation pages". The bulleted list
found in these articles is transformed into a set of radio
buttons. In addition, a radio button is generated that basically
means "unresolved". At the bottom of this list is a small form
to allow new links and associated context descriptions to be
added. Whichever option is selected from this page, the link in
the calling page is adjusted to point to the selected destination
article, with the original text preserved by using the pipe trick.
A by-product of these changes will be that the "context selection"
pages will, in the main, be updated by the wiki software (as
opposed to hand editted). This should make it possible to more
tightly control the layout of these pages, perhaps with the
addition of subheadings like "People", "Places", "Things".
Further, when the "Edit this page" link is clicked on a "context
selection" page, the normal edit page is replaced by a purpose-
built form for editing such pages.
I understand that there are probably a millions reasons why some
aspect(s) of the above will be difficult or impracticable. I hope
that the general concept is possible and feasible.
Gary Curtis
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