Wikipedia-l April 2003

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Re: Avoid tables -- keep it simple!
by Erik Zachte 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

> My major concern is the ease of editing issue. I have nothing > against good-looking tables and nice designs that make a page > easy to read, but if it makes the underlying code hard to edit, > it doesn't suit Wikipedia well. Obviously many Wikipedians are willing to put in some effort to make a nice page layout. Html tables make a page more attractive and information easier to digest. If Karl finds html table syntax too tedious (it is tedious sometimes), I suggest he leaves them to others to add/maintain. But restricting their use is like a person that orders a pizza everyday and objects to other people still cooking their own meals. Erik Zachte

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] minor improvements to the system. aggravated.
by Tim Starling 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

>2: A feature to change collections of links. Namely suppose you move an >article, and want the >areas of text that link to this article to instantly reflect the new name. >So, I would like to >code this in such a way that it will bring up an interface that lets you >edit all in one page each >reference to this article. Namely, today I was browsing wikipedia and i >came accross this: >http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fizeau-Foucault_Apparatus well, i felt the >article was pretty poor, >so I did some googling, and it turns out that Fizeau and Focault worked >independantly on the >projects. Because of this, I felt there was a need to move the article. But >looking at "what links >here" immediately frustated me because what I propose would make this task >of verifying the >textual integrity of the articles after you change the name of an article >much MUCH easier. And im >not really sure right now if its a good idae to go a step further and have >an >instantaneously-change-all-textual-links-to-new-name-without-this-human-verification-process-that-I >-just-laid-out. I have suggested exactly that, and I offered to code it myself. It's still coming, I got distracted with other things. You can see the general idea at http://starling.f2g.net/move.html . See also the April archives of this list under "Server-side backlink redirects". -- Tim Starling. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp

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minor improvements to the system. aggravated.
by Hunter Peress 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

Hi .I tried to begin a relationship with one of the developers, but it mainly ended in me waiting for months and then finally repetitively using AIM (instant chat) to drill information out of him. 1 of my bugs was dealt with, 2 were ignored, and then Brion became extremely confrontational with me after a spat over some image copyright issues. Anyway See: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk%3ABrion_VIBBER_(archive) (search for "hfastedge" multiple times on the page) I have 3 main improvements that I would like to implement: 1: make chatting better OR (the fact that ~~~ and ~~~~ points to user: instead of user_talk: is stupid, as ONLY changes to user_talk shows you a global notification) """(from an unresponded-to convo with BrionV) As per the This bug ( http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=674724&group_id=34…) Could you please address it. The most conservative solution would be for changes on the user: page to activate the "you have new messages" feature as well. Remember, my original plan was for ~~~ and ~~~~ to refer to the talk page, but u argued against this. If u argue still, how about a ~~ or a ~~~~~ that points to the talk page. """ 2: A feature to change collections of links. Namely suppose you move an article, and want the areas of text that link to this article to instantly reflect the new name. So, I would like to code this in such a way that it will bring up an interface that lets you edit all in one page each reference to this article. Namely, today I was browsing wikipedia and i came accross this: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fizeau-Foucault_Apparatus well, i felt the article was pretty poor, so I did some googling, and it turns out that Fizeau and Focault worked independantly on the projects. Because of this, I felt there was a need to move the article. But looking at "what links here" immediately frustated me because what I propose would make this task of verifying the textual integrity of the articles after you change the name of an article much MUCH easier. And im not really sure right now if its a good idae to go a step further and have an instantaneously-change-all-textual-links-to-new-name-without-this-human-verification-process-that-I -just-laid-out. 3: slight improvements to the history sections. Namely: besides a "page history" link, each article should also have, on the top level, a link to the diff between the cur and last revision. Next: is that every user contributions page should have links to the cur, the last diff, AND the diff of the last edit that user made. Ok folks. Remember, that im coming to this group because I unfortunately require the judgement and supposed fairness of bureacracy. If anyone's curious, Im: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hfastedge I've been on the http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Most_active_Wikipedians for many months in a row. AND im a capable coder. See this little invention that i've been running for about 6 months now: http://home.sus.mcgill.ca/~hperes/uniwiki/date.html __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

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Avoid tables -- keep it simple!
by Karl Eichwalder 22 Apr '03

22 Apr '03

The English Wikipedia often is overdesigned; example: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait (and probably many a lot other countries). 1. It's hard to edit tables 2. Cut-and-paste does not work that good 3. It isn't browser friendly; in lynx it comes out this way: CAPTION: Dawlat al Kuwayt Kuwait flag medium.png KUW-coat.gif (In Detail) National motto: None Official language Arabic Capital Kuwait Emir Jabir Prime minister Saad Area - Total - % water Ranked 153rd 17,820 km² Negligible Population - Total (2001) - Density Ranked 141st 2,041,961 115/km² Independence June 19, 1961 Currency Dinar Time zone UTC +3 National anthem Al-Nasheed Al-Watani Internet TLD .KW Calling Code 965 Yes, it's right aligned :-( I'm not sure whether you will rate it as a lynx bug, though... -- | ,__o http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | _-\_<, ke(a)suse.de (work) / keichwa(a)gmx.net (home) | (*)/'(*)

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GFDL with invariant sections may be ruled non-free by Debian
by Axel Boldt 21 Apr '03

21 Apr '03

The Debian (Linux distribution) project is currently discussing a motion to label GFDL materials that use cover texts or invariant sections as "non-free". This won't affect us, but it could affect people who use our material and then add cover texts or invariant sections, as they are allowed to do per the license. The discussion is linked from this Slashdot article: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/04/20/1357236 Axel __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com

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Edit screen: save space
by Karl Eichwalder 20 Apr '03

20 Apr '03

This is a feature request. Please offer more config options to make it possible for users like me to save space. Here is my workbench (full screen): Mozilla-edit-wp-de.png . . 60151 Byte http://de.wikipedia.org/upload/9/9d/Mozilla-edit-wp-de.png As you can see I cannot reach the bottom of the edit box and "Save" resp. "Preview" button. I know it's possible to configure the length of the edit box, but that's not what I want. The logo at the left upper corner and label stuff on top of the edit box ("Bearbeiten von André Breton...") are wasting precious vertical space. Please implement switches to turn off these decorations. -- | ,__o http://www.gnu.franken.de/ke/ | _-\_<, ke(a)suse.de (work) / keichwa(a)gmx.net (home) | (*)/'(*)

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Paging user "Ryo"
by Lee Daniel Crocker 19 Apr '03

19 Apr '03

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Wikipedia meetup!
by Chuck Smith 18 Apr '03

18 Apr '03

I just signed us up at meetup.com and I thought you all might be interested in participating! If you're interested, it's going to happen on Monday, May 12 @ 7:00PM at a city near you. If you'd like to sign up or find out more information, go to http://wikipedia.meetup.com/. See ya there, ;-) Chuck ===== Learn Esperanto! - http://www.lernu.net/ My homepage - http://www.ikso.net/~chuck Enciklopedio - http://eo.wikipedia.org/ ___________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com

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Several Wikipedias now ready for download to Pocket PC, Palm or EPOC handheld or offline browsing under Windows
by Erik Zachte 18 Apr '03

18 Apr '03

TomeRaider versions of English, German and Dutch Wikipedias are now ready for download See [[Wikipedia:TomeRaider database]] Would it be appropriate to mention this on the frontpage, e.g. next to "DB download" and perhaps temporarily announce this as current event or something like that? Erik Zachte epzachte(a)chello.nl See also http://members.ams.chello.nl/epzachte/Wikipedia

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User Preferences
by Thomas Corell 18 Apr '03

18 Apr '03

Hello, I found out (at german wiki) that in the 'special:preferences' is a 'translation error', but I looked at meta, and found the same missleading sentence. The Option 'Number of titles in recent changes:' (technically modifing $wpRecent/$rclimit) is affecting more than 'recent changes'. It affects all (?) generated lists. This messages has a cc to wikipedia-l, if other languages will think about a better 'translation' for their wiki's, too. Smurf -- ------------------------- Anthill inside! ---------------------------

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