Wikipedia-l December 2003

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by Evan Prodromou

So, uh, I thought I'd throw together a page on meta-wikipedia to talk about categorization. It may make things easier and will probably last longer than everyone's mail queue. http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorization I have a feeling that this conversation has happened before and may happen again; it'd be nice to archive it. ~ESP -- Evan Prodromou <evan(a)wikitravel.org> Wikitravel - http://www.wikitravel.org/ The free, complete, up-to-date and reliable world-wide travel guide

20 years, 4 months

Re: French wiki argument on language

by John C. Penta

[snip abstruse French language argument] No offense meant to Anthere, but it's a huge post.:-) My personal opinion, as a distinctly monolingual English speaker: Go with what people *use*, not with what's officially correct. Wikipedia, by its very nature as a mass-edited compendium, is *not* going to be the preserve of the higher-class. We're blue-collar, and better for that, I suppose. Also, purely out of usability, we're the better for keeping up with the language. John

20 years, 4 months

Press release : Logo putsch on the French Wikipedia !

by Anthere

This is an ugly copy (non html) of our last internal press release. To be found on http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3AAnnouncements --------- Press release : Logo putsch on the French Wikipedia ! French Wikipedia always promoting novelty and fun : Wikipedia-wide approved logo replaced by another, to celebrate forthcoming Christmas event During the night between the 9th and the 10th of december, the french logo was mysteriously changed, and a new, very colourful and happy one now stands in place. 12 hours later, no reversion has been done yet to the grayer version, much to the surprise of external observers. User:Tim Starling reaction was to shake his head; his comment on that lack of reaction was "amazing". The lack of reaction of french wikipedians might have several explanations : it may be suggested that some just did not notice. It may also be that french wikipedians are all editing under cologne blue skin (a statistician might be able to give more feed back on this). User:Anthere also suggested that the old logo might still be in the "cache" for most users. External observers reactions were diverse. Some thought the new logo great. User:Angela commented "That's so unfair! Fr have such a beuatiful logo for Christmas and en still have the old boring white one." She also asked "I hope it does stay. I love it. Do you think there is any chance it would be allowed on en?". Some wondered why this logo appeared so early before Christmas; however, some answered that Christmas fun time was beginning just after Thanksgiving in the US, and that Thanksgiving was now over. Other mentionned the new logo might be POV, and wondered if french Wikipedia had an equivalent logo during the Ramadan (nde : the Ramadan just ended last week). Evidence shows the logo was uploaded by w:fr:Utilisateur:Guillaume Bokiau, but it is yet unclear how the official logo could be so easily replaced without technical input. Some users mentionned User:Brion VIBBER or User:Eloquence names, as being likely to be involved in logo change issues. Rumours also suggest that Guillaume could be the author of the new logo as well, though this fact has not been confirmed yet. ant __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

20 years, 4 months

RE: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Press release : Logo putsch on the FrenchWi kipedia !

by Constans, Camille (C.C.)

>-----Message d'origine----- >De : tarquin [mailto:tarquin@planetunreal.com] >Envoyé : jeudi 11 décembre 2003 10:38 >À : wikipedia-l(a)Wikimedia.org >Objet : Re: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Press release : Logo putsch on the >FrenchWikipedia ! > > > > >Guillaume Blanchard wrote: > >>>Green- >>> >>> >>>>I like the logo too. I saw it on FR and thought, "wow, too >bad en isn't >>>>this liberal." >>>> >>>> >>>We're liberal. We just don't like kitsch. >>> >>>Regards, >>> >>> >> >>We? I'm sure many English-speaker like kitsch ;o) >>Put colors on the main page was also consider as kitsch in the past, >>now it is a standard for almost all Wikipedias. >> >> >> >Yes, and it's a great pity. >The colours on the main page are more than kitsch, they are revolting. >The community on fr: seem far more concerned with style over >content. I >understand that there is a natural desire to make our environment >"pretty", but this xmas logo is a step too far. What is revolting with having some fun ? Why do you say we prefer work on style intead of working on content ? And as I remember I dont see you often on fr:. Google has logo for xmas, do you think they working only on style ? >I will no longer be working on fr: until this situation is resolved. Good bye then. I didn't see you talk about this on fr.... When you say that fr prefer work on style, you say that all our work is crap. I cant agree with you, maybe some pages are stubs, but some are very nice articles. Shaihulud

20 years, 4 months

RE: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Press release : Logo putsch on the FrenchWi kipedia !

by Constans, Camille (C.C.)

> >>Google has logo for xmas, do you think they working only on style ? > >Google is not npov... It's true, but it's fun :) Dont forget to take some pleasure to work on wikipedia :) >>>I will no longer be working on fr: until this situation is resolved. >> >> >> Good bye then. I didn't see you talk about this on fr.... > >Oh yes he did Shai ! He did on le bistro. And on the french mailing >list. And here http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur%3ATarquin I missed it. Sorry. >> When you say that fr prefer work on style, you say that all >our work is >> crap. I cant agree with you, maybe some pages are stubs, but >some are very >> nice articles. > >hopefully, the abribus... I didn't follow the problem on abribus, then I cant understand, sorry :) >> Shaihulud > >thanks again for the pict Shai... Which pictures ? :) You dont have to thank me. (I havent finished Aioneko pictures yet)

20 years, 4 months

RE: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Press release : Logo putsch on the FrenchWi kipedia !

by Constans, Camille (C.C.)

> > >Constans, Camille (C.C.) wrote: > >>What is revolting with having some fun ? Why do you say we >prefer work on >>style intead of working on content ? And as I remember I dont >see you often >>on fr:. Google has logo for xmas, do you think they working >only on style ? >> >> >Google is a commercial site. It's completely different. Not really, we want to do a professional work. >> >>>I will no longer be working on fr: until this situation is resolved. >>> >>> >> >>Good bye then. I didn't see you talk about this on fr.... Sorry about that, it was a bit rude. >>When you say that fr prefer work on style, you say that all >our work is >>crap. >> >> >Not what I meant. It's what I understood. Look into the french wikipedia, there is some very good article. I wont be surprised to see some of the same quality on the universalis encyclopedia (french encyclopedia as brittanica I think) You dont think the wikipedia project need this pain ? The wikipedia project is a very good project, maybe the more interesting I've seen. Look at Anthere, sometimes she really wants to leave, but at the end, her action had gone to the goal.

20 years, 4 months

RE: [Wikipedia-l] Re: Press release : Logo putsch on the FrenchWi kipedia !

by Constans, Camille (C.C.)

> >Constans, Camille (C.C.) wrote: > >>>Date articles, current events, are focused on french events >>> >>> >> >>We're french :) >> >> >> >But part of NPOV is taking an international persepctive, and >not writing >for a french audience. I understand. I wanted to say we're writing on a french perspective because we're french ! It's difficult and not natural to think in anothers ways. Some of us are trying. I hope we'll get some canadian writers.... Sorry for my poor english :) I dont write often in english, if you dont understand some stuffs that I wanted to said, wirte me a mail :) Shaihulud

20 years, 4 months

Re: [Wikipedia-l] Press release : Logo putsch on the French Wikipedia !

by Brian Corr

I just created an account at fr: and I noticed the logo this afternoon and was a little surprised to see it. I personally think it's cute (although I'm not generally and advocate of *cute* I must admit that I like it when Google a logo of the day). I share the concerns about the Christian message, and I like Jimbo & Anthere's suggestion of "Joyeuses fêtes" as an alternative. Just my 2 centimes.... Brian

20 years, 4 months

Locking key definitions

by Ramanan Selvaratnam

Hello, First, a big thank you to all individuals who initiated the Tamil Wikipedia. A bigger thank you for adhering to UTF-8. I heavily modified the front page <http://ta.wikipedia.org> where the often repeated meaning of free as in 'freedom' instead of 'free of cost' seemed to have been repeated. Basically the introduction of the FDL was wrongly translated. As it was already requested on the page my contact detail was registered at the bottom of the page. Now that I have recieved the third private mail it is time to remove my mail address from there. (I am glad people care about definitions so passionately though :) What is the process for locking key definitions? Anyone with experience of organising a newly started langugae module? Best wishes, Ramanan

20 years, 4 months

Wikipedia Economy

by Thomas Gail Haws

Hubbard EngineeringAs it seems wise to focus on those things which are of greatest worth, I am wondering if there is a Wiki way to learn which articles are receiving the greatest web usage (most "read" hits or highest read to edit ratio). Tom Haws

20 years, 4 months

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