Wikipedia-l November 2003

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could Espéranto-France help?
by Chuck Smith 12 Nov '03

12 Nov '03

> Hello Jimbo, > > Unfortunatly the french NIC doesnt allow this kind > of thing. Upon domain > registration you need to provide a document about > your company / fundation > whatever and you can't register for a name that > isn't the name of your > company. I wonder if we could register under the organization of Espéranto-France (www.esperanto-france.org). If we made Wikipedia a subsidiary project of the organization or something like that, then we could probably bypass the problems we're having. Of course, on the other hand, they might be able to give us advice on how we could register such a domain name. Because of our strong Esperanto section, I'm sure they've heard of Wikipedia and would be willing to help. I would also imagine that if we have problems in other countries, we might be able to ask the national Esperanto organizations in these countries for their help as well. Also, perhaps Alliance Francais (www.alliance-francaise.com) could help. What do you think? Best wishes, Chuck ===== Esperantomobilo - esperantigante tra Ameriko http://www.esperantomobilo.org/ __________________________________________________________________ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - http://mail.yahoo.de Logos und Klingeltöne fürs Handy bei http://sms.yahoo.de

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series of articles and navigation table
by Antoine 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

[repost as 1st didnt reach newsserver it seem] Hello, I was reading the History of Germany articles and found the navigation table on the right quite useful: http://en2.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Germany I think this will improve wikipedia just as much as the automatic table of content did. A way to implement this feature would be to point a parent article to all it's childs and vice versa. That might be done using [[parent:articlename]] and / or [[child:articlename]]. Let's look at an example: History of Germany -> Franks -> Holy Roman Empire -> German Confederation -> German Empire -> Weimar Republic -> Nazi Germany -> Germany since 1945 Franks article is interesting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franks) as it is part of two series (History of France AND of Germany). So the History of Germany will have: [[child:Franks]] And Franks will have: [[parent:History of France]] [[parent:History of Germany]] Maybe we just need the parent tag ? Setting up a parent tag in an article will automaticly update the parent article without using any child. cheers, -- Antoine http://fr.wikipedia.org/ L'encyclopédie gratuite et libre.

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Online reference article
by Stephen Gilbert 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

Electronic Book Web has published an article that may be of interest called "The Future of Online Reference" ( http://12.108.175.91/ebookweb/stories/storyReader$2407 ). Representitves from Alacritude (publisher of eLibrary and encyclopedia.com), Questia and Encyclopaedia Britannica are interviewed. Sadly, our little project does not yet warrant a mention. ;-) Stephen Gilbert

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wikimedia funds should be public
by Hunter Peress 11 Nov '03

11 Nov '03

wikimedia funds should be public. eg an account balance with details like the actual balance, and what has been purchased... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

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Machine update
by Jimmy Wales 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

I just got off the phone with Penguin. The machine build is on hold as they are waiting for one part -- a 3 bay drive enclosure of all things. They are now giving an estimated ship date of next Monday, but they seemed to be trying to be conservative with that -- it really depends on when the part comes in. Yeah, I'm not happy about this, either. Anyhow, I was invited to call back again later in the week for a more definitive ETA. I will of course do so and report back to you at that time. --Jimbo

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Setting a new server in France for french wikipedia
by Daniel Mayer 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

Anthere wrote: >Still, proposition : what about waiting till that new >server is there and working ? All the tech people >discussing mirrors on the tech list for a good couple >of months instead of 10 days ? And taking the next 6 >months to set a proper proposition for association ? I agree - there is no hurry here. I just visited fr.wikipedia and it was very fast. A new database server is also going to be set-up really soon and Brion is already figuring out how to do webserver load balancing between different machines. But when the time comes I'm sure we will be able to add a read-only websever in France to the load balancing mix for fr.wikipedia. Either way all edits should go to the database server in San Diego (which could then update the cache of every webserver in near real-time). Why would this need a French affiliate Wikimedia Foundation? Could the Wikimedia Foundation just register in France as a non-profit? There are also copyright concerns. I would like to see an affiliate EU Wikipedia Foundation set-up, but I would not like to see us have to set-up affiliates in every nation. That does not seem to be a practical solution. Either way I just don't see a need to set-up affiliates right now. Shouldn't we first put our energies into fully setting up the Wikipedia Foundation before starting to set-up affiliates? What's the hurry? -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

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Read only mirror in Paris & French law non profit organisation
by Yann Forget 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all, Following my demand, the Ouvaton cooperative has offered to host a read only mirror of the French Wikipedia with a budget of 1000 euros for a year in hardware and bandwidth. For that it is necessary that a non profit organisation to be set up in France. I drafted a project of status for this according to French law. It is available at http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Statuts_pour_une_association_en_Fran… Please, could you opinion on this ? And specially on * special links between this French law organisation should have with the Wikimedia foundation; * technical setup you would recommend. Regards, Yann - -- http://www.non-violence.org/ | Site collaboratif sur la non-violence http://www.forget-me.net/ | Alternatives sur le Net http://fr.wikipedia.org/ | Encyclopédie libre http://www.forget-me.net/pro/ | Formations et services Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE/rmg7m4KYjQo0y9oRAtPCAJ4zY/WzyLd7bnnU6ao+Mu2pNC2BAACfZYfV /4iybSSDpQxlDFTpjo9h9dE= =DX4I -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] Blocage
by Anthere 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

From: Andre Engels <engels(a)uni-koblenz.de> >> The problem with the current rollback is that it just >> revert to the previous edit. We would rather to revert >> to the previous edit before the user. >As far as I know, that is what rollback does - >reverting to the >last edit of another user than the current one. Yes. I just tested. This is true. I had always thought it reverted just to the last edit. That is good news. >> However, one disagreement with loggued in people is >> that they can move pages. While anyone can revert >> edits made by a vandal, only sysops can fix a move >> back. That would be the only superior reason to block >> a user than I can see. >No, when a page is moved, the original title will >become a >redirect without history, so any registered user can >move it >back. Problems only arise when a page has been moved >more than >once (in that case one will have to undo all moves in >reverse >order rather than doing it at once), or when the >redirecting >page has been edited (in that case one does indeed >need sysop >powers to first delete the redirecting page). I am astonished. I just tried this, and yes, you are right. I just did not know it was possible ! I thought as soon as a page A had been moved to B, it was necessary to delete A to move back to B ! That changes a lot of things. I am not sure french people know this. Ok thanks Andr� PS : for my first attempt, I had a software error I must say. The page A was indicated moved to B, it had the redirect, it had no more history but the redirect...but there was no page at B ...hum __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

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Blocage
by Anthere 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

I was discussing possible measures against this guy on the IRC channel. I came to the conclusion that the best feature to implement would be a method for quickly rolling back page creation. Possibly, sysops could have a column of checkboxes on RC. They would then be able to tick all the Papotages-related edits, and roll them back in one request. Perhaps this could be submitted to Sourceforge feature requests. -- Tim Starling that would be an idea. The problem with the current rollback is that it just revert to the previous edit. We would rather to revert to the previous edit before the user. I did not block him as it is easier to track a user name than various ips. However, one disagreement with loggued in people is that they can move pages. While anyone can revert edits made by a vandal, only sysops can fix a move back. That would be the only superior reason to block a user than I can see. thanks tim __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree

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Re: Blocking
by Daniel Mayer 09 Nov '03

09 Nov '03

Tim Starling <ts4294967296 at hotmail.com> writes: > I was discussing possible measures against this guy on the IRC > channel. I came to the conclusion that the best feature to implement > would be a method for quickly rolling back page creation. Possibly, > sysops could have a column of checkboxes on RC. I like this idea. IMO, a better implementation idea would be to add rollback checkboxes to every top edit displayed on their contributions page (maybe with non-top edits automatically grayed out). At the top there simply would be a "select all" option. However I still can do 2-3 rollbacks a second when the server is running fast (gotta love scroll wheels on Linux - press them on a link and it opens in a new window). So I wouldn't benefit much from such a feature, but from a few frustrating experiences using rollback on a massive scale at work (on MS Windows), I know it isn't as easy for many people (whoever thought it would be a good idea to have 'auto-scroll' enabled when pressing down on the scroll wheel should be shot!). What I would love to see is the addition of diffs to user contrib pages. That would make checking of anon edits go much faster (you can't just assume that every edit ever made by a vandal's IP is also a vandalism). Anything that gives us the upper hand against vandals is a good thing; if it is easier for us to repair damage than it is for vandals to create it, then that removes much of the incentive for vandals to make a mess of the place and gives us tools to make cleaning up any mess when it does happen much easier. It also allows us to keep our doors wide open. All good things. -- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)

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