In a message dated 9/5/2002 4:15:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
helgah(a)email.com writes:
> I am only bringing all this up, because of Dany's bad choice of a website
> title: Helga and other Internet cooks. I also want to substanciate my talk
> to Dany, that there are a lot more facts , that the general public is not
> aware of. I also stated that I do not want to get anyone hurt and that I
> have a great concern for people wanting to make war, war war... It was also
> before I found out that Dany works in the Holocaust memorial, which some
> writers
> including Jewish writers, might call the Holocaust industry.
She wrote a lot else, but I think I answered for myself adequately on the
relevant Talk page (Neturei Karta), which she quoted extensively.
Helga, yes I do work in the Museum of Jewish Heritage. However, any statement
I make here represents me and me alone.
I find your snub about the Holocaust industry offensive, however, I have come
to expect that of you. I am the first to admit that I have attitudes and
opinions regarding the Holocaust, anti-Semitism, and Zionism, all
controversial subjects here. On the other hand, you will also find that the
vast majority of my contributions to Wikipedia have not focused on these
issues, not because I do not know the subject matter well, but because I do
know it well and I wanted to avoid involving myself in debates and
discussions where I may be tempted to violate the principles of NPOV. My one
Holocaust contribution was on Mordechai Anielewicz, and that was made before
I began working at the museum (which was rather recently). I did write about
a variety of other topics reflecting my other interests, as my personal page
shows. How Billie Holiday relates to the Holocaust is beyond me. How the
tables I created for each president relate to the Holocaust is beyond me too.
How the Banawa of Brazil or the Chaco War or the film "Chang" relate to the
Holocaust is anybody's guess. My one great debate on Jewish matters was
actually with RK, who focuses on Jewish subjects. Though it got heated at
times, the result (Ultra-Orthodox Judaism) is, I think, a good article.
What are you suggesting regarding the Neturei Karta? Is it that the fact that
I have read about them, written about them, studied them, lived among them,
and worked on a documentary film about them somehow grounds for excluding me
from writing about them here? Or is it that your single source, two
interrelated websites, trumps any serious research? If anything, I wrote the
article as a defense of them. You want to turn it into an attack on others.
You also keep quoting these elusive "facts" that you happen to be aware of,
even if no one else is. The Internet is full of conspiracy theories. There
are books written about them too. That does not make them facts. It is
unfortunate that you do not know how to distinguish fact from theory from
flight of fancy. Perhaps if you did, your articles would be more acceptable.
Finally, I just want to note that you still do not know what my attitudes and
opinions regarding the Holocaust, anti-Semitism, and Zionism are.
Danny
mirwin wrote (in part):
>The U.S. has never accepted other countries allegations
>that our soldiers are terrorists or war criminals.
What about the My Lai Massacre? Wasn't Calley convicted of a war crime, under US law? As a former US soldier, I must say that American servicemen are considered to be responsible for their actions, even (or especially) when under the stress of combat or captivity.
One of the things I admire most about my country, America, is the exaltation of law and principle. All people are required to respect the rights of others, and no one is above the law. Our freedom of press makes evasion of justice exceedingly difficult to hide.
Excuse me if I sound patriotic this month, but the anniversary of 9-11 is coming up...
Ed Poor
At 03:10 PM 9/5/02 -0400, Ed Poor wrote:
>Okay, the "ban" is lifted. Gimme a break, okay?
>
>I just wanted to re-focus the talk constructively, but then Lee is like,
>let the kids bicker and pull hair, as long as they don't damage the furniture.
Threatening to ban people, unilaterally, is a poor way to refocus talk
constructively.
--
Vicki Rosenzweig
vr(a)redbird.org
http://www.redbird.org
Tim wrote:
>I would also ask that sysops should not generally sign contributions as
>sysops (i.e. writing "Ed Poor - Sysop"). It could be give the misleading
>impression that sysops are acting officially on behalf of Wikipedia, rather
>than acting as an individual contributor.
>
>Tim (Enchanter)
That's right. It's completely inappropriate--an attempt at intimidation and nothing more--completely un-wiki.
kq
yeh, I forgot about those, sorry. Didn't mean to get the
whole "cabal" thing started again.
kq
You Wrote:
>>> What Web server logs? I don't have access to the logs.
>
>> I think only Lee, Brion Vibber, and Jimmy have access to
>> the logs. It's a good idea, though.
>
>...and Axel, Magnus, Neil, and anyone who asks nicely. I'll
>gzip some of them up and put them in /tarballs so others can
>do some analysis.
>This is a warning: any more personal or provocative remarks, and I
>will will ban you for a day. --Ed Poor, sysop
...and the ban will be undone immediately of course. Ed, please
refrain from using your sysop status as if it were a position of
power.
Axel
>>What Web server logs? I don't have access to the logs.
>I think only Lee, Brion Vibber, and Jimmy have access to the logs.
Maybe we could write a cron script which regularly publishes the
server logs on the ftp server. If people are concerned about privacy,
we could blank out the last three digits of the IP numbers.
Axel
Sean Barret Wrote:
>Imran wrote:
>> parse the web server logs, pull out all of google referrers...
>
>What Web server logs? I don't have access to the logs.
I think only Lee, Brion Vibber, and Jimmy have access to the logs. It's a good idea, though.
kq
hello, I've started a new page for obsessive editors, wikipediholics, and the frequently bored and diligent. It's an incomplete listing of articles which land in the top 10 google results by searching for title alone (in the case of slashes, parentheses etc. it's nice if they turn up in the top 10 without special punctuation.). Anyway, take a look at it if you're interested: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia%3ATop_10_Google_hits
Automation in this regard would be nice, but oh well. And, BTW, I'm not presenting this as a way to shame anyone, by any means--three of the articles written almost exclusively by me are on the list ([[canna lily]], [[Joel and Ethan Coen]], and [[Dziga Vertov]]), and I've already added 2 paragraphs to canna lily. Needless to say, it's moved Dziga up on my priority list also, since I don't cover the last 15 years of his life at all.
Best,
kq