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[mjansen@fnl.nl: RE: Wikipedia logo]
by Jason Richey 22 May '02

22 May '02

I don't recall who orignially designed the Wikipedia logo, but I got a request for a higher resolution logo from a magazine editor who is going to be printing a story about wikipedia. If anybody knows who I should contact, please let me know. He wants the logo to be about 1 or 2 inches at 300 dpi. So, we'll need it to be about 540x532 pixels. If we get one that is HUGE, then I shouldn't ever have to ask for another one... Jason Richey ----- Forwarded message from mjansen(a)fnl.nl ----- From: mjansen(a)fnl.nl Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:01:36 +0200 To: jasonr(a)bomis.com Subject: RE: Wikipedia logo Op dinsdag 21 mei 2002 20:26, heeft Jason Richey [SMTP:jasonr@bomis.com] geschreven: > I'll see what I can come up with... What dimensions are you looking > for? Our current logo is 135x133 pixels at 72 pixels/inch, or > 0.450x0.443 inches at 300 dpi. I'm sure we can generate the logo as > you would like it, but it would be helpful to know how large you need > it. It would be perfect if the logo could be blown up to a width and height of about 1 to 2 inches at 300 dpi. Thanks in advance Michael Janszen Redacteur / Editor c't Magazine Postbus 31 331 6503 CH Nijmegen Tel.: 024-3723659 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- "Jason C. Richey" <jasonr(a)bomis.com>

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] New codebase, testbed
by lcrocker＠nupedia.com 21 May '02

21 May '02

> I tried to go to the new codebase at > http://www.piclab.com/newwiki/wiki.phtml . > It returned the following: > ... Thanks for testing. I'm pretty constantly working on the code now, so if you ever get an error like that, try again in 15 minutes. If it /still/ happens, then mail me. I wouldn't bother the list at large yet, either; this is still very much a work in progress. 0

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Re: [Intlwiki-l] Review mechanism ? Stable pages ?
by Brion Vibber 21 May '02

21 May '02

On Tue, 21 May 2002, Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz wrote: > On 21-05-2002, Brion L. VIBBER wrote thusly : > > On mar, 2002-05-21 at 10:40, Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz wrote: > > > Have you looked up recently the Wikipedia page > > > http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Karl_Landsteiner as I did yesterday ? > > Well, I did just now, and I replaced the garbage with a brief stub after > > a 10-second google search turned up several informationful web pages > > about the guy. You could have done that yourself! > OK. Next time when I spot such ugly article I certainly will. > I just thought that some discussion would be helpful. It was an example > of the problem. Nic nie szkodzi. No harm done, but you could still have fixed it and then brought it to our attention. :) > > The system we have is based on two ideas: > > > > a) Changes to articles will be seen and reviewed by other wikipedians > > and > Do we have enough people to look after 100000+ articles ? (+int'l) If we have enough people to *write* 100000+ articles, then hopefully! If contributions drop off in the future to lower levels, then there will be fewer changes to sift through in the list, and new vandalism will be even easier to find. The worrying thing is not new vandalism -- it's *old* vandalism. Once something drops out of RecentChanges, it may as well have fallen off the face of the Earth until somebody stumbles into it. An article that nobody fixed a month or a year ago might still be sitting around, and making it the Stable version ain't gonna help that now. Unless you propose that 30,000+ articles be individually checked before creating the "stable" namespace? > and the reformed Karl Landsteiner article can be (though rather unlikely) > be vandalized again any minute now. It can be, of course. And it can be fixed again... The idea of a stable namespace/review process has been discussed from time to time, but there's not really been consensus. If we were to introduce such a system, I think basically this would mean that for each article, some particular revision of it would be designated the known good/stable version, and only that version would be shown to random visitors / distributed in static CD versions. Logged-in users and those who elected to see the latest unstable version could see and edit the current revision... New edits would be (somehow) reviewed and, if ok, designated the new stable version. There are at least two big questions about how this ought to work: 1) How do we get new folks to dive in and contribute? Having your improvements show up *immediately* is a big draw to the wikipedia experience. 2) How does the review process work? If very few people are interested in a topic, a new article or change might get completely ignored, and very good articles may never be seen; so limiting reviewing to certain trusted users would likely not be sufficient. On the other hand, it's child's play for organized vandals to set up secondary accounts to mod up their own work, as many discussion-oriented sites have discovered on establishing user-run comment moderation systems. > > b) Wikipedians will improve articles they find to be lacking > > > > A is dependent on the number of wikipedians interested in any particular > > topic (or with a mind to check out new articles), and B is dependent on > > YOU. > OK. I admit I am amazed by overall quality and how little impact vandals > have had so far. But is this just an exception or are there more articles > that need mending ? How do we know ? I would say that it's an exception (the vast majority of articles are indeed not vandalized) *and* that there are more that need mending. Keep looking -- watch the skies! -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] New codebase, testbed
by koyaanisqatsi＠nupedia.com 21 May '02

21 May '02

I tried to go to the new codebase at http://www.piclab.com/newwiki/wiki.phtml . It returned the following: Parse error: parse error in /var/www/html/newwiki/Language.php on line 42 Parse error: parse error in /var/www/html/newwiki/Skin.php on line 2 Fatal error: Cannot instantiate non-existent class: language in /var/www/html/newwiki/wiki.phtml on line 21 >I have both codebases set upon my server (the old one is at >http://www.piclab.com/wiki/wiki.phtml , and the new one is at >http://www.piclab.com/newwiki/wiki.phtml ), and both have the >newest 5/20 dump of the database (though the new one doesn't >have all the article histories). 0

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New codebase, testbed
by lcrocker＠nupedia.com 21 May '02

21 May '02

Earlier I announced the availability of a new codebase and a testing server to the wikitech list, but I see no reason not to involve the larger list as well. See http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net for information on the wiki software. I have both codebases set upon my server (the old one is at http://www.piclab.com/wiki/wiki.phtml , and the new one is at http://www.piclab.com/newwiki/wiki.phtml ), and both have the newest 5/20 dump of the database (though the new one doesn't have all the article histories). Anyone who wants to work on the code can use my server for testing. In particular, I'd like to solicit translators to create new languages for the new codebase, which has a much better facility for handling them (and doesn't require any coding skill). Finally, someone a while back posted a wikipedia design that didn't use HTML tables for layout and that looked very clean. I could probably find that in the archives, but if someone could point me to that I'd appreciate it. The new skin system should make it easier to implement that cleanly. 0

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Re: [Wikipedia-l] images and search rankings
by lcrocker＠nupedia.com 21 May '02

21 May '02

>> [[image:de-flag.jpg|German flag]] This will be easy to do in the new codebase, so I'll consider it part of the spec. 0

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The 'pedia seems to be broken
by Vicki Rosenzweig 21 May '02

21 May '02

Any attempt to open any page is getting me Fatal error: Cannot instantiate non-existent class: skinstandard in /home/wiki-newest/work-http/wikiPage.php on line 1142 I'd post this to "Bug reports" on the 'pedia, except I get the same error there. -- Vicki Rosenzweig vr(a)redbird.org http://www.redbird.org

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images and search rankings
by Chuck Smith 21 May '02

21 May '02

> We could also use the name-piping feature to add alt > text (short > descriptions of the image for text-mode and speech > browsers): > > [[image:de-flag.jpg|German flag]] Oooh! This would definitely help our search engine rankings too! Go Brion! Chuck ===== Come to my homepage! Venu al mia hejmpagxo! http://amuzulo.babil.komputilo.org/ ==== Venu al la senpaga, libera enciklopedio esperanta reta! http://eo.wikipedia.com/ _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com

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Re: [Intlwiki-l] Review mechanism ? Stable pages ?
by Brion L. VIBBER 21 May '02

21 May '02

On mar, 2002-05-21 at 11:19, Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote: > One thing - I hereby officially propose ;) that option "only minor > changes" should be available only for registered users. That's been the case for a couple of months on the new software. (And furthermore, show ALL edits is the default setting. You have to go out of your way to hide minor edits, and I don't know why anyone would want to anyway.) If the other wikis get converted sometime, problem solved! By the way, MOST OF THE INTERNATIONAL WIKIS ARE LOSING THEIR EDITING HISTORIES BECAUSE THE OLD WIKI SOFTWARE DELETES OLD PAGE VERSIONS AFTER A COUPLE OF WEEKS!!!!!!!!! I *hate* destructive default settings. > All cases of vandalism on Polish wikipedia that weren't immediately > fixed were in case where nobody have seen it because it wasn't being > shown on 'Ostatnie Zmiany' (recent changes) page. > > Of course a vandal could bother to register, but most of them don't. > So maybe this feature should be turned off completely. > It's very dangerous. Agreed, that's why we did it. :) -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

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Review mechanism ? Stable pages ?
by Krzysztof P. Jasiutowicz 21 May '02

21 May '02

Hello all, It might seem a little off-topic on the international mailing list but it seems rather urgent and is of general interest (also non-English Wikipedias). Have you looked up recently the Wikipedia page http://www.wikipedia.com/wiki/Karl_Landsteiner as I did yesterday ? With growing number of pages we either need some review and approval mechanism or a stable namespace or even a stable version of Wikipedia (that would be so open for editing for everyone). What do you think ? regards, kpj.

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