elian wrote:
> AFAIK there is no multilingual search, yet.
> Until this is implemented, I'd say the biggest wikipedia merits some kind
> of special treatment - at least the possibility that you get good search
> results on the english is a lot higher than in the other languages.
http://www.wikipedia.org/tools/wikisearch.php
It's kind of hackish and ugly, but functional.
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
>Hello,
>
>just a quick and dirty design study for
>www.wikipedia.org (not all links are working,
>some text isn't translated yet and no colors
>are defined)
>
>http://www.djini.de/Uploads/wikipedia/wikipedia.html
>
>(tested on IE (Mac), Mozilla, lynx, links,
>iCab and Omniweb)
>
>Maybe after Cunctator could be convinced that no
>old links will be broken we can progress a little
>bit in this affair.
>
>Comments, critics, other drafts and so on welcome,
>greetings,
>elian
I like it, I like it a lot. IMO the logo should be
centered with the text (meaning it needs to go up
more) and I also think the search engine should have a
link to "advanced options" (so that a person could
select which languages to search and which namespaces
- the default should be to search all languages in the
article namespace -- this would exclude Metapedia).
But then, we won't be able to do this type of search
until/if we have a multilingual Phase IV wiki where
all the languages are on the same wiki (as previously
explained in some detail). A combined database would
also be needed for your Log in link to work as
expected (meaning for the whole Wikipedia). But your
proposal greatly improves upon mine in that you
devised a way to naturally have /direct/ links to each
of the different language's Recent Changes and Main
Pages -- kudos! I still think we should wait for a
multilingual Phase IV before we implement a
multilingual Welcome Page for the whole project,
however.
One thing that was in my proposal that isn't in yours
are links to different welcome pages in several
different languages (Willkomen / Bienvenue / Welcome /
Bonvenon / Bienvenidos / Bienvenidos / Boa vinda ...
). In spite of the attitude that some Americans
exhibit, not everybody can read or even *gasp* ever
wants to be able to read English.
I personally think it would then be neat for
www.wikipedia.org to sniff the language setting of a
visitor's browser and then automatically direct them
to their language's welcome page if it exists -- if it
doesn't then it would bring them to the English
welcome page. I don't think that matching the language
a person's browser is in with a welcome page in the
same language is going to harm the user when several
other welcome pages in different languages are just a
click away. If this sniffing is done then all the
different languages can equally use www.wikipedia.org
for promotional purposes without having to explain why
the default is in English and how to get to their
language's welcome page. It would also be neat to be
able to set your user preferences to bypass the
multilingual Welcome Page or to over-ride the language
sniffing and go directly to your language of choice
(but typing xx.wikipedia.org or clicking on a
different welcome page isn't that hard so this isn't
too important).
I will go into greater detail at
http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_to_do_with_www.wikipedia.org
on Friday.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
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Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)bomis.com> writes:
> 1. The text is slightly different from what we have now, in some
> possibly debatable ways. Let's assume that our current text is not
> set in stone and that it would be desirable to make it emphasize more
> clearly our international scope.
If someone can write a better (maybe also shorter) introduction, I'll
integrate it.
> 3. The major 'other languages' are made more prominent, with "text
> images" saying the name of each language. I think that particular
> design feature is a bad idea (why make an image when text will do the
> job just fine?), but I like the overall look of making the other
> wikipedias more prominent.
There is a new version without images at
http://www.djini.de/Uploads/wikipedia/wikipedia2.html
I took one of my old stylesheets so the colors (like the rest) are debatable.
> I would be opposed to automatically pulling all those numbers out of
> the databases for every load of the homepage -- an automated daily
> updating would be more efficient and would suit our purposes just
> fine.
I totally agree with this.
> 4. Some of the "tools" are not linked here. Recent Pages, Random
> Page, and so on. I would support restoring those; they are important.
> What say you?
Recentchanges, the most important, is there. The rest is
language-dependent so we will get into trouble if we try putting them on
the Main Page. I'd like to keep it as clear and simple as possible.
greetings,
elian
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actually implement a driver. -- Linus Torvalds, linux-kernel
Dear list,
Maybe we should take part in the comptition "Les trophées du libre".
It's a good chance to get publicity, and I guess we could also win
something ... :-)
I propose to register for the "Educational" category.
http://www.tropheesdulibre.org/
When I tried to register Wikipedia I was a bit irritated. I guess they
assume a strong tie (link?) between a "developer" and the project. But
maybe I didn't understand this fully. But anyway, I think a person who
has invested more(time/money) into the project should register Wikipedia
for the competiton. I propose Jimbo, of course.
Kurt
I notice that on topic Law (in which I am trained) that I want Law to be
about the law I was trained in and practice. I definitely don't want Law to
be about principles of science or law as the ordering principle of life.
Reality, on the other hand, having no training in philosophy, I want to be a
far reaching and broad article, with philosophical considerations, being
just a part, an important part, but leaving plenty of room for everyday
socially constructed reality and reality as seen from a scientific
perspective.
So, the point. We all like to shape articles so we can contribute to them
and so that they fit into our world view.
Fred
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On 10/24/02 10:07 AM, "elian" <elian(a)gmx.li> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> just a quick and dirty design study for www.wikipedia.org (not all links
> are working, some text isn't translated yet and no colors are defined)
>
> http://www.djini.de/Uploads/wikipedia/wikipedia.html
>
> (tested on IE (Mac), Mozilla, lynx, links, iCab and Omniweb)
>
> Maybe after Cunctator could be convinced that no old links will be broken we
> can progress a little bit in this affair.
>
Changing the front page into something like this is a profoundly bad idea.
24.166.83.194 keeps vandalizing articles, also edits the VANDALISM IN
PROGRESS page to cover his tracks and creates fake editlog entries. Should be
banned immediately.
Regards,
Erik
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"Will Smith" <will(a)willsmith.org> writes:
> Nice, but it's not totally clear that you have to click on the icon, rather
> than the underlined word underneath the icon. I'd guess users typically
> click on underlined links rather than words appearing big and bold.
> Does there really need to be a link to each language's
> Special:Recentchanges from the www site?
No, it's just a nice feature for the recentchanges-junkies. Not really
necessary.
> And the search function ... that searches Wikipedia-EN? Personally
> I'd say that's fine, other's might say that Wikipedia-EN is being
> given preferential treatment.
AFAIK there is no multilingual search, yet.
Until this is implemented, I'd say the biggest wikipedia merits some kind
of special treatment - at least the possibility that you get good search
results on the english is a lot higher than in the other languages.
Maybe later we could sort this out automatically like google does it: if
someone is searching f.e. for french words, he gets french
results, of course.
greetings,
elian
"elian" skribis:
> just a quick and dirty design study for www.wikipedia.org (not all links
> are working, some text isn't translated yet and no colors are defined)
>
> http://www.djini.de/Uploads/wikipedia/wikipedia.html
>
> (tested on IE (Mac), Mozilla, lynx, links, iCab and Omniweb)
[eo]
Mi pensas ke estas tro da angla teksto en la
komenco de la pagxo. Kun Opera (kaj mia nuna
ekran-grandeco) mi nur vidas la unuajn tri
(pseudo-)paragrafojn, kaj neniom de la lingva
elekto. La bildo estas iom strange lokita ...
Cetere: Kial la lingvoj kiel bildoj?
(Devus esti "Esperanta Vikipedio" ...)
[de]
Ich denke, es ist zu viel englischer Text am
Anfang der Seite. Mit Opera (und meiner
Bildschirmgröße) sehe ich nur die ersten drei
(Pseudo-)Absätze, keinen Hauch einer Sprach-Auswahl.
Das Logo ist auch merkwürdig verrutscht.
Außerdem: Warum die Sprachen alle als Bild?
(Es sollte "Esperanta Vikipedio" heißen ...)
[en]
IMHO there is too much english text in the
beginning of the page. With Opera (and my
actual screen size) I see only the first
three (pseudo-)paragraphes, nothing from
the language-selection.
By the way: the Logo is a little bit to much
downside ...
Why are the languages all images?
(This should be "Esperanta Vikipedio" ...)
Pauxlo