Gerard Meijssen wrote:

On nl:wikipedia a valid reason for the deletion of pictures is that they are not used. I have asked at "the kroeg" that they should not be deleted in anticipation of WikiCommons.

Andre Engels asked me why I thought that there will be a WikiCommons as both he and I have so far been given the cold shoulder treatment on WikiCommons. His question is fair. What do I base my trust on that there will be in the near future a WikiCommons ?

Question: *Should these pictures be deleted from nl:wikipedia ?

Hello,

It's up to the community to make a choice about that. On fr: we have lot of flowers pictures that are included in a wikipedia:project page for future usage. I would say : create articles so the pictures can be used.

*When will there be a place where we can upload material that is not used on nl:wikipedia and that will be eventually available in WikiCommons ?

Maybe we should start to gather needs, thinks about how we can reuse part of MediaWiki code to build the wikicommon engine and then start coding it.

Some changes will have to be made to MediaWiki to be able to use a second database for pictures :o)

Stan Shebs wrote:

Gerard Meijssen wrote:

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On nl:wikipedia a valid reason for the deletion of pictures is that they are not used. I have asked at "the kroeg" that they should not be deleted in anticipation of WikiCommons.

Andre Engels asked me why I thought that there will be a WikiCommons as both he and I have so far been given the cold shoulder treatment on WikiCommons. His question is fair. What do I base my trust on that there will be in the near future a WikiCommons ?

Question: *Should these pictures be deleted from nl:wikipedia ?

Would people insist on deleting them if they are linked from your user page? Lots of people on en: have personal galleries of images, not all of which are presently being used in articles. They're useful as "placeholders", so other people can just include them, instead of duplicating effort by uploading their own pictures of the same things.

Stan

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These pictures have nothing to do with me. I have my own pictures waiting for the big decision. What I want to know is when are we going to have Wikicommons. What is the point of there being personal galleries ? What is the point of having these pictures on my hard drive ? Does it help someone who is looking for some pictures ? The question is, what is to be done, what timeframe until there is a WikiCommons ?

Thanks, GerardM

Stan Shebs wrote:

Gerard Meijssen wrote:

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On nl:wikipedia a valid reason for the deletion of pictures is that they are not used. I have asked at "the kroeg" that they should not be deleted in anticipation of WikiCommons.

Andre Engels asked me why I thought that there will be a WikiCommons as both he and I have so far been given the cold shoulder treatment on WikiCommons. His question is fair. What do I base my trust on that there will be in the near future a WikiCommons ?

Question: *Should these pictures be deleted from nl:wikipedia ?

Would people insist on deleting them if they are linked from your user page? Lots of people on en: have personal galleries of images, not all of which are presently being used in articles. They're useful as "placeholders", so other people can just include them, instead of duplicating effort by uploading their own pictures of the same things.

Stan

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The whole discussion is moot. The Commons is active, people can upload digital content to a special purpose repository. http://commons.wikipedia.org At this moment it is a start-up. Everything is being organised, functionality like storing pictures in Commons and using them in the projects is still absent. But the great thing is, our orphans now have a place to go.

This does not mean that we will not delete pictures on nl: low quality pictures (particularly those minimized pictures of a higher quality picture will deserve their place in the bit-graveyard..

So, have a look at Commons. It is as Wiki as everything. So let's have fun and make it a great resource.

PS and those personal galleries, they will eventually be better appreciated on Commons as all wiki communities will have them there as a resource. :)

Thanks, Gerard