Hoi, As it is, it will remain in this way unless the powers that be decide differently. When you read about the arguments why the Moldovan language was deprecated, the argument was very much based on what an official Moldovan organisation did. The people in Transnistria are effectively not part of the remit of this official organisation and this makes it effectively another political decision, not that I have a problem with the result because here perfection is the enemy of the good. The one question is, to what extend there is a difference between the Romanian as spoken in Moldova and spoken in Transnistria. If there is a wish to indicate such a difference, there is no proper way to indicate areas like Transnistria because they are not part of the ISO-3166-1. Because of this wilfull ommission the RFC falls flat on its face. Thanks, GerardM On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 12:40 PM, Michael Everson <everson(a)evertype.com>wrote;wrote:

The powers that be, Gerard? Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com

On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 4:18 AM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote: Because I'm sure the Board will be *thrilled* to get involved in a dispute that involves nationalism, factionalism, complicated linguistics, hurt feelings, confusion about what's "true", and heated debate and assumptions of poor faith on all sides. Come on. How is the Board supposed to determine what the best outcome is when the community members involved can't get anywhere near consensus? (Or can they? I confess to not reading these threads closely). Our Board members work hard on behalf of the projects, but they are not specially endowed with the ability to second-guess the ISO, to make decisions for community members about what to call the language they speak, or (alas!) to prevent deep-rooted drama about such matters. It's easy to think that things would be so much easier if only the right person was in charge so *someone* could make a decision... but that is not the way our projects work. Instead, (as you know, Gerard) people step up to work on the issues that interest them. Sure, the Board could choose to nuke all the Wikipedias where people can't agree on what language they are written in. But that's not so much of a solution as a "please shut up about this issue already!" statement.* -- phoebe * Which, I grant you, as an uninvolved party seems pretty darn appealing some days. p.s. Aren't some of the wikis in two or more scripts? I recall that at least a couple of them have multiple tabs at the top where you can switch between scripts if you like. Is that somehow not an option in this case?

Hoi, Removing the mo.wikipedia.org is something I would at this stage in the game prefer. There are languages with multiple scripts. There are even languages that support multiple scripts in the User Interface. Accepting texts in mulitple scripts is a great way of bringing a language community together. It is not easy and MediaWIki does not support properly but it is done. The issue with MediaWiki support is that when Cyrillic and Arabic script texts are mixed in the text, the script should be properly supported in the text box part of the article. When two scripts are mixed, it is possible to indicate what script / orthography / dialect the text is in. Standard MediaWiki does not support this. I understand that there is an extension that DOES allow for this. It would be good for the projects involved to have such support. Thanks, Gerard 2008/11/19 phoebe ayers <phoebe.wiki(a)gmail.com>

I'm sorry to see you people to not understand at all the problem, this problem doesn't have anything in common with serbian-croatian or israelic-arabic issues. The problem is what we changed our script, and we want this to be reflected on your mo.wikipedia For god sake, just open your own page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_language for one minute, read the first sentence, "*Moldovan* (also *Moldavian*; Romanian<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language>ge>: *limba moldovenească*), written in the Latin script<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_alphabet>" now open http://mo.wikipedia.org/<http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D3%82… and look in what scripting is it. Doesn't this create confusions around you people and everyone around the world ?! "Moldovan language is written in the Latin script" but still somehow http://mo.wikipedia.org/<http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D0%B0%D3%82… is in cyrillic. I don't understand people commenting on our issue without understanding it, or comparing it's situation with other absolutely unrelated to our. There is not any nationalism here, you just got our language wrongly. Don't you think this is something what should be important for us, and it is something absolutely normal what we are bringing this question over and over again ? Wouldn't you do the same if the script of your language were got wrongly by the biggest encyclopedia in the world ? Wouldn't that hurt you ? Wouldn't you write in the same way I'm writing in this moment ? ** Now, I understand it is hard to delete something, but at least please rename it to mo_cyrillic to make it clear that this is Moldovian language with cyrillic scripts. people step up to work on the issues that interest them. So, your "Board members" have enough abilities to accept something, and now you are telling me that you are seeking for a volunteer to do your job ? By taking the responsibility to open something please follow your duties and make sure it was a right decision. And please don't tell me you never make mistakes. specially endowed with the ability to second-guess the ISO, Then how this "Board members" have voted the mo. wikipedia languages if they " are not specially endowed with the ability " ? On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Ting Chen &lt;wing.philopp(a)gmx.de&gt; wrote:

Yes, "all the people of Moldova", because the script of Moldovan language is defined in our constitution (article 13 <ref> http://web.archive.org/web/20070505191536/xiv.parlament.md/en/legalfoundati…)f>), and here and now I'm doing nothing more than repeating that to you. On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Amir E. Aharoni &lt;amir.aharoni(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote:

I think we, the independent and the democratic Moldova country have more rights to be bound to the Moldovian language than to Transnistria, internationally unrecognized who are ruled by russian army ("A 1,200-strong Russian military contingent is present in Transnistria"). I'm asking just to rename the current mo to mo-cyrillic. On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Gerard Meijssen &lt;gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote:

Gerard Meijssen said: How did you conclude that ? Are you a moldovian living in Transnistria ? effe iets anders, for the god sake, Transistria is a internationaly unrecognized country created artificially by a foreign army, there are no such as Transnistiran separate ethnic group or something like that. Moldovian people that living there cannot change Transnitrian law as it's a non-free country. No country in the world can challenge russia or russia army, do you believe moldovian living there can change russian willing ? ;) "Transnistrian local authorities insist that public education for ethnic Moldovans in their mother tongue is done using the Soviet-originated Moldovan Cyrillic alphabet <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_Cyrillic_alphabet>, having restricted the usage of the Latin script<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_script>(the norm) for the Romanian language <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_language> to only 6 schools." <ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transnistria#Moldovan_schools </ref> Please move the cyrllic version of our language to a separate subdomain mo-cyrllic.wikipedia for the moldovian in transnistria who are forced to write in cyrillic, and make mo. with latin letters. On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:19 PM, effe iets anders &lt;effeietsanders(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote;wrote:

effe iets anders schrieb: "Hasty decisions"? mo.wikipedia is freezed since March 2006! A decision should be made. Either Cyrillic Moldovan is legitimate - then it should be reopened - or it is not legitimate - then it should be closed altogether. Or it is legitimate, but not as a project of its own, but as an automatic transcription of the Latin Romanian content - then this should be implemented. There are 401 articles in the freezed Wikipedia. Some empty, some short, some messed up, some quite comprehensive. Most of them translations (well, actually transliterations, not translations) of Romanian articles. Romanian articles of 2006, of course. Whatever you think about the legitimacy of Cyrillic Moldovan, this project in its current state is quite useless as a source of information. To keep it as it is and to do nothing, is the worst decision that can be made. The facts are established, there are no big open issues. We just have to establish decisions. No hasty decisions, but nonetheless prompt decisions. This is the foundation mailing list. Foundation executives should read it and act upon issues raised on this list. If they don't, this list is completely useless. Renaming the project to mo-cyrillic would be a logical step, but it's not a solution. Please act now. Go. Marcus Buck