Hello everyone,
We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct drafting committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either by publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email. Volunteers from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different languages.
We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience on-wiki, from someone who started editing only last year to people who have been editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 edits. Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement, and also informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their real-life careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and extremely qualified pool of applicants.
For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - we want a committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of the movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength is more in organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics, contributors from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles within the movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate with one another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of Conduct for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that committees that are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided to cap the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats.
More information on the Committee and its new members can be found on Meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee [1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2]. Please note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the community draft review period starting from August 24.
Best regards, Christel
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
Christel Steigenberger (she/her)
Trust and Safety Specialist
Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/
Hi Christel, I wish the committee well, and success in coming up with a workable policy. This is fine as long as no assumption is made that these people represent the communities in any way other than for themselves. They may be fine people and may even have excellent ideas and skills suited to the task, but they are not our representatives, and we expect to be consulted regarding the results of this work. I understand that this may be your intention anyway, but we have seen too many fiascos resulting from a small group of people coming up with some proposal and WMF declaring this to be "movement policy" or something to that effect. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Christel Steigenberger Sent: 30 July 2020 19:49 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation
Hello everyone,
We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct drafting committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either by publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email. Volunteers from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different languages.
We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience on-wiki, from someone who started editing only last year to people who have been editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 edits. Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement, and also informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their real-life careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and extremely qualified pool of applicants.
For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - we want a committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of the movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength is more in organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics, contributors from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles within the movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate with one another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of Conduct for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that committees that are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided to cap the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats.
More information on the Committee and its new members can be found on Meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee [1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2]. Please note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the community draft review period starting from August 24.
Best regards, Christel
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
Christel Steigenberger (she/her)
Trust and Safety Specialist
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Hoi, So what is your alternative, what do you have as an alternative? Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 20:24, Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote:
Hi Christel, I wish the committee well, and success in coming up with a workable policy. This is fine as long as no assumption is made that these people represent the communities in any way other than for themselves. They may be fine people and may even have excellent ideas and skills suited to the task, but they are not our representatives, and we expect to be consulted regarding the results of this work. I understand that this may be your intention anyway, but we have seen too many fiascos resulting from a small group of people coming up with some proposal and WMF declaring this to be "movement policy" or something to that effect. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Christel Steigenberger Sent: 30 July 2020 19:49 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation
Hello everyone,
We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct drafting committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either by publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email. Volunteers from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different languages.
We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience on-wiki, from someone who started editing only last year to people who have been editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 edits. Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement, and also informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their real-life careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and extremely qualified pool of applicants.
For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - we want a committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of the movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength is more in organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics, contributors from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles within the movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate with one another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of Conduct for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that committees that are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided to cap the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats.
More information on the Committee and its new members can be found on Meta < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2]. Please note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the community draft review period starting from August 24.
Best regards, Christel
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
Christel Steigenberger (she/her)
Trust and Safety Specialist
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Alternative to what? Cheers Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: 30 July 2020 20:46 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation
Hoi, So what is your alternative, what do you have as an alternative? Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 20:24, Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote:
Hi Christel, I wish the committee well, and success in coming up with a workable policy. This is fine as long as no assumption is made that these people represent the communities in any way other than for themselves. They may be fine people and may even have excellent ideas and skills suited to the task, but they are not our representatives, and we expect to be consulted regarding the results of this work. I understand that this may be your intention anyway, but we have seen too many fiascos resulting from a small group of people coming up with some proposal and WMF declaring this to be "movement policy" or something to that effect. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Christel Steigenberger Sent: 30 July 2020 19:49 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation
Hello everyone,
We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct drafting committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either by publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email. Volunteers from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different languages.
We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience on-wiki, from someone who started editing only last year to people who have been editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 edits. Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement, and also informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their real-life careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and extremely qualified pool of applicants.
For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - we want a committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of the movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength is more in organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics, contributors from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles within the movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate with one another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of Conduct for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that committees that are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided to cap the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats.
More information on the Committee and its new members can be found on Meta < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2]. Please note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the community draft review period starting from August 24.
Best regards, Christel
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
Christel Steigenberger (she/her)
Trust and Safety Specialist
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Dear Christel,
Congratulations. We will be following developments closely and wishing the committee all the best.
Kind regards, Bobby Shabangu
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 20:24, Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote:
Hi Christel, I wish the committee well, and success in coming up with a workable policy. This is fine as long as no assumption is made that these people represent the communities in any way other than for themselves. They may be fine people and may even have excellent ideas and skills suited to the task, but they are not our representatives, and we expect to be consulted regarding the results of this work. I understand that this may be your intention anyway, but we have seen too many fiascos resulting from a small group of people coming up with some proposal and WMF declaring this to be "movement policy" or something to that effect. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Christel Steigenberger Sent: 30 July 2020 19:49 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation
Hello everyone,
We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct drafting committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either by publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email. Volunteers from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different languages.
We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience on-wiki, from someone who started editing only last year to people who have been editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 edits. Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement, and also informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their real-life careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and extremely qualified pool of applicants.
For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - we want a committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of the movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength is more in organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics, contributors from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles within the movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate with one another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of Conduct for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that committees that are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided to cap the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats.
More information on the Committee and its new members can be found on Meta < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2]. Please note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the community draft review period starting from August 24.
Best regards, Christel
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
Christel Steigenberger (she/her)
Trust and Safety Specialist
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Dear Christel,
Thanks for the update. I like to conga the new committee and wish the best.
Best Regards, Rajeeb. (U: Marajozkee) (Sent from my iPhone pardon the brevity)
On 31-Jul-2020, at 1:11 AM, Bobby Shabangu bobbyshabangu@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Christel,
Congratulations. We will be following developments closely and wishing the committee all the best.
Kind regards, Bobby Shabangu
On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 at 20:24, Peter Southwood peter.southwood@telkomsa.net wrote:
Hi Christel, I wish the committee well, and success in coming up with a workable policy. This is fine as long as no assumption is made that these people represent the communities in any way other than for themselves. They may be fine people and may even have excellent ideas and skills suited to the task, but they are not our representatives, and we expect to be consulted regarding the results of this work. I understand that this may be your intention anyway, but we have seen too many fiascos resulting from a small group of people coming up with some proposal and WMF declaring this to be "movement policy" or something to that effect. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Christel Steigenberger Sent: 30 July 2020 19:49 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Universal Code of Conduct Drafting Committee - Call for participation
Hello everyone,
We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct drafting committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either by publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email. Volunteers from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different languages.
We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience on-wiki, from someone who started editing only last year to people who have been editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 edits. Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement, and also informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their real-life careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and extremely qualified pool of applicants.
For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - we want a committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of the movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength is more in organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics, contributors from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles within the movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate with one another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of Conduct for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that committees that are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided to cap the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats.
More information on the Committee and its new members can be found on Meta < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2]. Please note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the community draft review period starting from August 24.
Best regards, Christel
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
Christel Steigenberger (she/her)
Trust and Safety Specialist
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Uh, guys?
That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There shouldn't be a "drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved.
Todd
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger < csteigenberger@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hello everyone,
We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct drafting committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either by publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email. Volunteers from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different languages.
We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience on-wiki, from someone who started editing only last year to people who have been editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 edits. Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement, and also informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their real-life careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and extremely qualified pool of applicants.
For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - we want a committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of the movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength is more in organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics, contributors from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles within the movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate with one another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of Conduct for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that committees that are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided to cap the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats.
More information on the Committee and its new members can be found on Meta < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2]. Please note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the community draft review period starting from August 24.
Best regards, Christel
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
Christel Steigenberger (she/her)
Trust and Safety Specialist
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 15:29, Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There shouldn't be a "drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved.
It's not clear to me what you're referring to here. What is the "that" that was a "firm no"?
Dan
It was a "no" to having any type of universal code of conduct. You can see the discussion here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Rec...
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 8:57 AM Dan Garry (Deskana) djgwiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 15:29, Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There shouldn't
be a
"drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved.
It's not clear to me what you're referring to here. What is the "that" that was a "firm no"?
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Could You evaluate how You came to the firm NO? I cannot see it from the link You provided
masti
On 31.07.2020 17:37, Todd Allen wrote:
It was a "no" to having any type of universal code of conduct. You can see the discussion here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Rec...
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 8:57 AM Dan Garry (Deskana) djgwiki@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 15:29, Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com wrote:
That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There shouldn't
be a
"drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved.
It's not clear to me what you're referring to here. What is the "that" that was a "firm no"?
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The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy. The strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals representing more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the closest we have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as in a democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision, it does not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree. But is the best way we know how to come to a decision.
And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely involve all parties being effected by it
Anders
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 16:28, skrev Todd Allen:
Uh, guys?
That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There shouldn't be a "drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved.
Todd
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger < csteigenberger@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hello everyone,
We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct drafting committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either by publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email. Volunteers from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different languages.
We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience on-wiki, from someone who started editing only last year to people who have been editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 edits. Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement, and also informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their real-life careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and extremely qualified pool of applicants.
For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - we want a committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of the movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength is more in organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics, contributors from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles within the movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate with one another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of Conduct for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that committees that are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided to cap the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats.
More information on the Committee and its new members can be found on Meta < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee [1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2]. Please note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the community draft review period starting from August 24.
Best regards, Christel
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
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Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals" participated in? The one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No".
Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten mail@anderswennersten.se wrote:
The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy. The strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals representing more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the closest we have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as in a democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision, it does not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree. But is the best way we know how to come to a decision.
And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely involve all parties being effected by it
Anders
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 16:28, skrev Todd Allen:
Uh, guys?
That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There shouldn't
be a
"drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved.
Todd
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger < csteigenberger@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hello everyone,
We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct drafting committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either by publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email. Volunteers from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different languages.
We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience
on-wiki,
from someone who started editing only last year to people who have been editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 edits. Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement, and
also
informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their
real-life
careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and extremely qualified pool of applicants.
For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - we
want a
committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of the movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength is
more in
organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics, contributors from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles within
the
movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate with one another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of
Conduct
for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that committees
that
are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided to
cap
the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats.
More information on the Committee and its new members can be found on
Meta
<
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2]. Please note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the community draft review period starting from August 24.
Best regards, Christel
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
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Read https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20 and people involved supporting it and endorsing its different phases
Anders
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:28, skrev Todd Allen:
Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals" participated in? The one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No".
Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten mail@anderswennersten.se wrote:
The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy. The strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals representing more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the closest we have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as in a democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision, it does not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree. But is the best way we know how to come to a decision.
And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely involve all parties being effected by it
Anders
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 16:28, skrev Todd Allen:
Uh, guys?
That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There shouldn't
be a
"drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved.
Todd
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger < csteigenberger@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hello everyone,
We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct drafting committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either by publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email. Volunteers from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different languages.
We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience
on-wiki,
from someone who started editing only last year to people who have been editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 edits. Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement, and
also
informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their
real-life
careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and extremely qualified pool of applicants.
For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - we
want a
committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of the movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength is
more in
organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics, contributors from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles within
the
movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate with one another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of
Conduct
for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that committees
that
are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided to
cap
the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats.
More information on the Committee and its new members can be found on
Meta
<
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2]. Please note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the community draft review period starting from August 24.
Best regards, Christel
[1]https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
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I have read that, but do not see any public RfC nor any individual statements.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:34 AM Anders Wennersten mail@anderswennersten.se wrote:
Read https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20 and people involved supporting it and endorsing its different phases
Anders
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:28, skrev Todd Allen:
Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals" participated in?
The
one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No".
Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten <
mail@anderswennersten.se>
wrote:
The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy. The strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals representing more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the closest we have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as in a democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision, it does not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree. But is the best way we know how to come to a decision.
And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely involve all parties being effected by it
Anders
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 16:28, skrev Todd Allen:
Uh, guys?
That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There shouldn't
be a
"drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved.
Todd
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger < csteigenberger@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hello everyone,
We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct drafting committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either by publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email.
Volunteers
from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different languages.
We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience
on-wiki,
from someone who started editing only last year to people who have
been
editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 edits. Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement, and
also
informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their
real-life
careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and
extremely
qualified pool of applicants.
For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - we
want a
committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of the movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength is
more in
organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics,
contributors
from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles within
the
movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate with
one
another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of
Conduct
for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that committees
that
are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided to
cap
the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats.
More information on the Committee and its new members can be found on
Meta
<
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2].
Please
note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the
community
draft review period starting from August 24.
Best regards, Christel
[1]https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
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If you choose to not take active part in he strategy process it it your privilege. But the fact is that the Strategy is the steering document now for the nearest activities in the Movement. And the endorsments are there to be read.
If you had wanted the endorsement to be visible in the form of a Rfc, you missed to express that in an appropriate moment.
Anders
(This being my third entry, it will be my last)
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:38, skrev Todd Allen:
I have read that, but do not see any public RfC nor any individual statements.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:34 AM Anders Wennersten mail@anderswennersten.se wrote:
Read https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20 and people involved supporting it and endorsing its different phases
Anders
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:28, skrev Todd Allen:
Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals" participated in?
The
one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No".
Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten <
mail@anderswennersten.se>
wrote:
The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy. The strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals representing more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the closest we have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as in a democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision, it does not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree. But is the best way we know how to come to a decision.
And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely involve all parties being effected by it
Anders
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 16:28, skrev Todd Allen:
Uh, guys?
That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There shouldn't
be a
"drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved.
Todd
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger < csteigenberger@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Hello everyone,
We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct drafting committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either by publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email.
Volunteers
from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different languages.
We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience
on-wiki,
from someone who started editing only last year to people who have
been
editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 edits. Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement, and
also
informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their
real-life
careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and
extremely
qualified pool of applicants.
For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - we
want a
committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of the movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength is
more in
organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics,
contributors
from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles within
the
movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate with
one
another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of
Conduct
for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that committees
that
are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided to
cap
the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats.
More information on the Committee and its new members can be found on
Meta
<
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2].
Please
note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the
community
draft review period starting from August 24.
Best regards, Christel
[1]https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
Christel Steigenberger (she/her)
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It is known and widely recognized that online communities were excluded from the strategy process. There was no way one could open RfC on the process, and no approval of the strategy by the editing communities.
This has to be fixed now. It is difficult to fix, because there are already too many boundary conditions attached, and I am personally trying to do whatever I can as a member of the transition strategy group.
On the other hand, there was no real RfC rejecting the UCoC (at least I am not aware of one), even though many users, in particular, on the English Wikipedia in relation to the Fram affair, were very vocal about this. But people become vocal about many things, some of them, for example, continue to advocate that we should fork from the existing project and this forking is the only way forward. People say many things, and we have community processes to see what is consensus and what is not.
In the current situation, specifically concerning UCoC, is to wait for the draft / drafting principle, whatever comes on 24 august. If many people think the product is not acceptable they should open RfC on meta or on the projects and see whether there is consensus it is unacceptable. For these RfCs to happen, but for this people should really follow the process, read the draft and see what the consequences are. If online communities are not involved in this process either, then things will go over and over again - UCOc accepted as proposed, included into ToU, followed by a couple of high-profile bans, shistorm in the most active communities, and complete denial by WMF managers. We have been there and we do not want this happening again.
Best Yaroslav
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:55 PM Anders Wennersten mail@anderswennersten.se wrote:
If you choose to not take active part in he strategy process it it your privilege. But the fact is that the Strategy is the steering document now for the nearest activities in the Movement. And the endorsments are there to be read.
If you had wanted the endorsement to be visible in the form of a Rfc, you missed to express that in an appropriate moment.
Anders
(This being my third entry, it will be my last)
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:38, skrev Todd Allen:
I have read that, but do not see any public RfC nor any individual statements.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:34 AM Anders Wennersten <
mail@anderswennersten.se>
wrote:
Read
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20
and people involved supporting it and endorsing its different phases
Anders
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:28, skrev Todd Allen:
Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals" participated in?
The
one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No".
Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten <
mail@anderswennersten.se>
wrote:
The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy. The strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals
representing
more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the closest
we
have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as in a democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision, it does not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree. But is the best way we know how to come to a decision.
And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely involve all parties being effected by it
Anders
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 16:28, skrev Todd Allen:
Uh, guys?
That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There
shouldn't
be a
"drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved.
Todd
On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger < csteigenberger@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> Hello everyone, > > > We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct drafting > committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either by > publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email.
Volunteers
> from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different
languages.
> > We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience
on-wiki,
> from someone who started editing only last year to people who have
been
> editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 edits. > Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement,
and
also
> informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their
real-life
> careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and
extremely
> qualified pool of applicants. > > For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - we
want a
> committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of the > movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength is
more in
> organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics,
contributors
> from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles
within
the
> movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate with
one
> another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of
Conduct
> for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that committees
that
> are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided
to
cap
> the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats. > > More information on the Committee and its new members can be found
on
Meta
> < >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
> [1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC
page
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2].
Please
> note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the
community
> draft review period starting from August 24. > > Best regards, > Christel > > [1] > >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct > > Christel Steigenberger (she/her) > > Trust and Safety Specialist > > Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe:
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As firmly endorsed by 41 community members (out of thousands) in the ToU for WMF https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Diversity/9#Terms_of_Use_for_the_WMF discussion, I think we can agree that the Terms of Use (and also the Code of Conduct) should apply to WMF employees as well, not just volunteers.
However, I don't see how from that it could be inferred that there should be no Code of Conduct for the communities. I believe that the important question is how the CoC will be implemented: will it be a tool for silencing unwanted POVs or a tool for addressing toxicity?
Just my thoughts. Aron
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 18:11, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:
It is known and widely recognized that online communities were excluded from the strategy process. There was no way one could open RfC on the process, and no approval of the strategy by the editing communities.
This has to be fixed now. It is difficult to fix, because there are already too many boundary conditions attached, and I am personally trying to do whatever I can as a member of the transition strategy group.
On the other hand, there was no real RfC rejecting the UCoC (at least I am not aware of one), even though many users, in particular, on the English Wikipedia in relation to the Fram affair, were very vocal about this. But people become vocal about many things, some of them, for example, continue to advocate that we should fork from the existing project and this forking is the only way forward. People say many things, and we have community processes to see what is consensus and what is not.
In the current situation, specifically concerning UCoC, is to wait for the draft / drafting principle, whatever comes on 24 august. If many people think the product is not acceptable they should open RfC on meta or on the projects and see whether there is consensus it is unacceptable. For these RfCs to happen, but for this people should really follow the process, read the draft and see what the consequences are. If online communities are not involved in this process either, then things will go over and over again - UCOc accepted as proposed, included into ToU, followed by a couple of high-profile bans, shistorm in the most active communities, and complete denial by WMF managers. We have been there and we do not want this happening again.
Best Yaroslav
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:55 PM Anders Wennersten < mail@anderswennersten.se> wrote:
If you choose to not take active part in he strategy process it it your privilege. But the fact is that the Strategy is the steering document now for the nearest activities in the Movement. And the endorsments are there to be read.
If you had wanted the endorsement to be visible in the form of a Rfc, you missed to express that in an appropriate moment.
Anders
(This being my third entry, it will be my last)
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:38, skrev Todd Allen:
I have read that, but do not see any public RfC nor any individual statements.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:34 AM Anders Wennersten <
mail@anderswennersten.se>
wrote:
Read
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20
and people involved supporting it and endorsing its different phases
Anders
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:28, skrev Todd Allen:
Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals" participated
in?
The
one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No".
Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten <
mail@anderswennersten.se>
wrote:
The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy. The strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals
representing
more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the
closest
we
have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as in a democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision, it
does
not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree. But is the best way we know how to come to a decision.
And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely involve
all
parties being effected by it
Anders
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 16:28, skrev Todd Allen: > Uh, guys? > > That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There
shouldn't
be a > "drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved. > > Todd > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger < > csteigenberger@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> >> We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct
drafting
>> committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either
by
>> publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email.
Volunteers
>> from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different
languages.
>> >> We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience on-wiki, >> from someone who started editing only last year to people who have
been
>> editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000
edits.
>> Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement,
and
also >> informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their real-life >> careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and
extremely
>> qualified pool of applicants. >> >> For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making -
we
want a >> committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of
the
>> movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength
is
more in >> organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics,
contributors
>> from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles
within
the >> movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate
with
one
>> another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of Conduct >> for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that
committees
that >> are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided
to
cap >> the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats. >> >> More information on the Committee and its new members can be found
on
Meta >> < >>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
>> [1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC
page
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2].
Please
>> note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the
community
>> draft review period starting from August 24. >> >> Best regards, >> Christel >> >> [1] >> >>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct >> >> Christel Steigenberger (she/her) >> >> Trust and Safety Specialist >> >> Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe:
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Hi,
Since this is about a Universal Code of Conduct, please do not focus this thread on the English language Wikipedia alone.
Ciell
Op vr 31 jul. 2020 18:25 schreef Aron Manning aronmanning5@gmail.com:
As firmly endorsed by 41 community members (out of thousands) in the ToU for WMF < https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Rec...
discussion, I think we can agree that the Terms of Use (and also the Code of Conduct) should apply to WMF employees as well, not just volunteers.
However, I don't see how from that it could be inferred that there should be no Code of Conduct for the communities. I believe that the important question is how the CoC will be implemented: will it be a tool for silencing unwanted POVs or a tool for addressing toxicity?
Just my thoughts. Aron
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 18:11, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:
It is known and widely recognized that online communities were excluded from the strategy process. There was no way one could open RfC on the process, and no approval of the strategy by the editing communities.
This has to be fixed now. It is difficult to fix, because there are
already
too many boundary conditions attached, and I am personally trying to do whatever I can as a member of the transition strategy group.
On the other hand, there was no real RfC rejecting the UCoC (at least I
am
not aware of one), even though many users, in particular, on the English Wikipedia in relation to the Fram affair, were very vocal about this. But people become vocal about many things, some of them, for example,
continue
to advocate that we should fork from the existing project and this
forking
is the only way forward. People say many things, and we have community processes to see what is consensus and what is not.
In the current situation, specifically concerning UCoC, is to wait for
the
draft / drafting principle, whatever comes on 24 august. If many people think the product is not acceptable they should open RfC on meta or on
the
projects and see whether there is consensus it is unacceptable. For these RfCs to happen, but for this people should really follow the process,
read
the draft and see what the consequences are. If online communities are
not
involved in this process either, then things will go over and over again
UCOc accepted as proposed, included into ToU, followed by a couple of high-profile bans, shistorm in the most active communities, and complete denial by WMF managers. We have been there and we do not want this happening again.
Best Yaroslav
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:55 PM Anders Wennersten < mail@anderswennersten.se> wrote:
If you choose to not take active part in he strategy process it it your privilege. But the fact is that the Strategy is the steering document now for the nearest activities in the Movement. And the endorsments are there to be read.
If you had wanted the endorsement to be visible in the form of a Rfc, you missed to express that in an appropriate moment.
Anders
(This being my third entry, it will be my last)
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:38, skrev Todd Allen:
I have read that, but do not see any public RfC nor any individual statements.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:34 AM Anders Wennersten <
mail@anderswennersten.se>
wrote:
Read
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20
and people involved supporting it and endorsing its different phases
Anders
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:28, skrev Todd Allen:
Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals" participated
in?
The
one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No".
Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten <
mail@anderswennersten.se>
wrote:
> The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy.
The
> strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals
representing
> more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the
closest
we
> have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as in
a
> democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision, it
does
> not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree. But is
the
> best way we know how to come to a decision. > > And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely involve
all
> parties being effected by it > > Anders > > Den 2020-07-31 kl. 16:28, skrev Todd Allen: >> Uh, guys? >> >> That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There
shouldn't
> be a >> "drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved. >> >> Todd >> >> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger < >> csteigenberger@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> >>> We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct
drafting
>>> committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either
by
>>> publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email.
Volunteers
>>> from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different
languages.
>>> >>> We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience > on-wiki, >>> from someone who started editing only last year to people who
have
been
>>> editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000
edits.
>>> Applicants held a variety of different roles within the
movement,
and
> also >>> informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their > real-life >>> careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and
extremely
>>> qualified pool of applicants. >>> >>> For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making
we
> want a >>> committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of
the
>>> movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength
is
> more in >>> organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics,
contributors
>>> from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles
within
> the >>> movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate
with
one
>>> another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code
of
> Conduct >>> for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that
committees
> that >>> are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we
decided
to
> cap >>> the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats. >>> >>> More information on the Committee and its new members can be
found
on
> Meta >>> < >>>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
>>> [1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC
page
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
[2].
Please
>>> note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the
community
>>> draft review period starting from August 24. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Christel >>> >>> [1] >>> >>>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
>>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct >>> >>> Christel Steigenberger (she/her) >>> >>> Trust and Safety Specialist >>> >>> Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe:
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Hello Ciell,
These discussions took place on meta, not on en.wp. I don't believe anyone has brought up the English Wikipedia in particular.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:08 AM Ciell Wikipedia ciell.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Since this is about a Universal Code of Conduct, please do not focus this thread on the English language Wikipedia alone.
Ciell
Op vr 31 jul. 2020 18:25 schreef Aron Manning aronmanning5@gmail.com:
As firmly endorsed by 41 community members (out of thousands) in the ToU for WMF <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Rec...
discussion, I think we can agree that the Terms of Use (and also the Code of Conduct) should apply to WMF employees as well, not just volunteers.
However, I don't see how from that it could be inferred that there should be no Code of Conduct for the communities. I believe that the important question is how the CoC will be implemented: will it be a tool for silencing unwanted POVs or a tool for addressing toxicity?
Just my thoughts. Aron
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 18:11, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:
It is known and widely recognized that online communities were excluded from the strategy process. There was no way one could open RfC on the process, and no approval of the strategy by the editing communities.
This has to be fixed now. It is difficult to fix, because there are
already
too many boundary conditions attached, and I am personally trying to do whatever I can as a member of the transition strategy group.
On the other hand, there was no real RfC rejecting the UCoC (at least I
am
not aware of one), even though many users, in particular, on the
English
Wikipedia in relation to the Fram affair, were very vocal about this.
But
people become vocal about many things, some of them, for example,
continue
to advocate that we should fork from the existing project and this
forking
is the only way forward. People say many things, and we have community processes to see what is consensus and what is not.
In the current situation, specifically concerning UCoC, is to wait for
the
draft / drafting principle, whatever comes on 24 august. If many people think the product is not acceptable they should open RfC on meta or on
the
projects and see whether there is consensus it is unacceptable. For
these
RfCs to happen, but for this people should really follow the process,
read
the draft and see what the consequences are. If online communities are
not
involved in this process either, then things will go over and over
again
UCOc accepted as proposed, included into ToU, followed by a couple of high-profile bans, shistorm in the most active communities, and
complete
denial by WMF managers. We have been there and we do not want this happening again.
Best Yaroslav
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:55 PM Anders Wennersten < mail@anderswennersten.se> wrote:
If you choose to not take active part in he strategy process it it
your
privilege. But the fact is that the Strategy is the steering
document
now for the nearest activities in the Movement. And the endorsments
are
there to be read.
If you had wanted the endorsement to be visible in the form of a Rfc, you missed to express that in an appropriate moment.
Anders
(This being my third entry, it will be my last)
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:38, skrev Todd Allen:
I have read that, but do not see any public RfC nor any individual statements.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:34 AM Anders Wennersten <
mail@anderswennersten.se>
wrote:
Read
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20
and people involved supporting it and endorsing its different
phases
Anders
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:28, skrev Todd Allen: > Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals"
participated
in?
The > one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm
"No".
> > Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count. > > Todd > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten < mail@anderswennersten.se> > wrote: > >> The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy.
The
>> strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals
representing
>> more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the
closest
we
>> have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as
in
a
>> democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision, it
does
>> not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree. But is
the
>> best way we know how to come to a decision. >> >> And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely
involve
all
>> parties being effected by it >> >> Anders >> >> Den 2020-07-31 kl. 16:28, skrev Todd Allen: >>> Uh, guys? >>> >>> That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There
shouldn't
>> be a >>> "drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved. >>> >>> Todd >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger < >>> csteigenberger@wikimedia.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> >>>> We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct
drafting
>>>> committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply,
either
by
>>>> publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email. Volunteers >>>> from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different
languages.
>>>> >>>> We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of
experience
>> on-wiki, >>>> from someone who started editing only last year to people who
have
been >>>> editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000
edits.
>>>> Applicants held a variety of different roles within the
movement,
and
>> also >>>> informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in
their
>> real-life >>>> careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and extremely >>>> qualified pool of applicants. >>>> >>>> For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision
making
we
>> want a >>>> committee that at the one hand will represent important parts
of
the
>>>> movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose
strength
is
>> more in >>>> organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics, contributors >>>> from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles
within
>> the >>>> movement. We also wanted a group of people who will
collaborate
with
one >>>> another effectively and create the best possible Universal
Code
of
>> Conduct >>>> for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that
committees
>> that >>>> are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we
decided
to
>> cap >>>> the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats. >>>> >>>> More information on the Committee and its new members can be
found
on
>> Meta >>>> < >>>>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
>>>> [1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main
UCoC
page
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
[2].
Please >>>> note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the community >>>> draft review period starting from August 24. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Christel >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> >>>>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
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Yaroslav did, and again the Framwiki case was mentioned. And while I do realise this bruised and scarred the relationship between the English community and the WMF, please realise the UCoC could benefit a lot of other communities. Those who are not vocal on this list, and are just the silent readers. Those who maybe do not even know this list exists, or do not read because of English not being their first language. Those who have been struggling to keep their wiki on track maybe, and do not have the time or knowledge to design and agree on behavioural ground rules. Or in countries where the volunteer work we do even might be dangerous, so they just try to stick to writing. The UCoC could benefit the whole movement, so please keep a global perspective on this.
And yes: I do agree we as volunteers deserve to give our input, and we deserve to be heard. But I do think we will get our chance. For now, it will be up to the writers to start a draft. Give them time to set this up properly.
Ciell
Op vr 31 jul. 2020 19:36 schreef Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com:
Hello Ciell,
These discussions took place on meta, not on en.wp. I don't believe anyone has brought up the English Wikipedia in particular.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:08 AM Ciell Wikipedia < ciell.wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Since this is about a Universal Code of Conduct, please do not focus this thread on the English language Wikipedia alone.
Ciell
Op vr 31 jul. 2020 18:25 schreef Aron Manning aronmanning5@gmail.com:
As firmly endorsed by 41 community members (out of thousands) in the
ToU
for WMF <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Rec...
discussion, I think we can agree that the Terms of Use (and also the Code of
Conduct)
should apply to WMF employees as well, not just volunteers.
However, I don't see how from that it could be inferred that there
should
be no Code of Conduct for the communities. I believe that the important question is how the CoC will be
implemented:
will it be a tool for silencing unwanted POVs or a tool for addressing toxicity?
Just my thoughts. Aron
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 18:11, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com
wrote:
It is known and widely recognized that online communities were
excluded
from the strategy process. There was no way one could open RfC on the process, and no approval of the strategy by the editing communities.
This has to be fixed now. It is difficult to fix, because there are
already
too many boundary conditions attached, and I am personally trying to
do
whatever I can as a member of the transition strategy group.
On the other hand, there was no real RfC rejecting the UCoC (at
least I
am
not aware of one), even though many users, in particular, on the
English
Wikipedia in relation to the Fram affair, were very vocal about this.
But
people become vocal about many things, some of them, for example,
continue
to advocate that we should fork from the existing project and this
forking
is the only way forward. People say many things, and we have
community
processes to see what is consensus and what is not.
In the current situation, specifically concerning UCoC, is to wait
for
the
draft / drafting principle, whatever comes on 24 august. If many
people
think the product is not acceptable they should open RfC on meta or
on
the
projects and see whether there is consensus it is unacceptable. For
these
RfCs to happen, but for this people should really follow the process,
read
the draft and see what the consequences are. If online communities
are
not
involved in this process either, then things will go over and over
again
UCOc accepted as proposed, included into ToU, followed by a couple of high-profile bans, shistorm in the most active communities, and
complete
denial by WMF managers. We have been there and we do not want this happening again.
Best Yaroslav
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:55 PM Anders Wennersten < mail@anderswennersten.se> wrote:
If you choose to not take active part in he strategy process it it
your
privilege. But the fact is that the Strategy is the steering
document
now for the nearest activities in the Movement. And the endorsments
are
there to be read.
If you had wanted the endorsement to be visible in the form of a
Rfc,
you missed to express that in an appropriate moment.
Anders
(This being my third entry, it will be my last)
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:38, skrev Todd Allen:
I have read that, but do not see any public RfC nor any
individual
statements.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:34 AM Anders Wennersten <
mail@anderswennersten.se>
wrote:
> Read
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20
> and people involved supporting it and endorsing its different
phases
> > Anders > > Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:28, skrev Todd Allen: >> Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals"
participated
in?
> The >> one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm
"No".
>> >> Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count. >> >> Todd >> >> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten < > mail@anderswennersten.se> >> wrote: >> >>> The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the
Strategy.
The
>>> strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals
representing
>>> more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the
closest
we
>>> have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as
in
a
>>> democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision,
it
does
>>> not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree. But
is
the
>>> best way we know how to come to a decision. >>> >>> And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely
involve
all
>>> parties being effected by it >>> >>> Anders >>> >>> Den 2020-07-31 kl. 16:28, skrev Todd Allen: >>>> Uh, guys? >>>> >>>> That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There
shouldn't
>>> be a >>>> "drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved. >>>> >>>> Todd >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger < >>>> csteigenberger@wikimedia.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct
drafting
>>>>> committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply,
either
by
>>>>> publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an
email.
> Volunteers >>>>> from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different
languages.
>>>>> >>>>> We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of
experience
>>> on-wiki, >>>>> from someone who started editing only last year to people
who
have
> been >>>>> editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000
edits.
>>>>> Applicants held a variety of different roles within the
movement,
and
>>> also >>>>> informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in
their
>>> real-life >>>>> careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse
and
> extremely >>>>> qualified pool of applicants. >>>>> >>>>> For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision
making
we
>>> want a >>>>> committee that at the one hand will represent important
parts
of
the
>>>>> movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose
strength
is
>>> more in >>>>> organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics, > contributors >>>>> from small and large wikis, and people holding different
roles
within
>>> the >>>>> movement. We also wanted a group of people who will
collaborate
with
> one >>>>> another effectively and create the best possible Universal
Code
of
>>> Conduct >>>>> for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that
committees
>>> that >>>>> are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we
decided
to
>>> cap >>>>> the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats. >>>>> >>>>> More information on the Committee and its new members can be
found
on
>>> Meta >>>>> < >>>>> >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
>>>>> [1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main
UCoC
page
>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
[2].
> Please >>>>> note that more chances for engagement are coming up during
the
> community >>>>> draft review period starting from August 24. >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> Christel >>>>> >>>>> [1] >>>>> >>>>> >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
>>>>> [2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
>>>>> >>>>> Christel Steigenberger (she/her) >>>>> >>>>> Trust and Safety Specialist >>>>> >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
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I agree with Cieli. I have had the privilege to speak to people offline to get their view on the proposed UCoc. This includes people on this list who are not native speakers of the English language and not willing to openly engage in a discussion about it. Many of them are interested in seeing the draft.
We can't speak on their behalf here or anywhere else and we can't assume they share our feelings or thought. Every contributor matter, regardless of the language they choose to contribute to and I think we should respect that.
I look forward to reading the draft and possibly providing feedback.
Good luck to the drafting committee and the WMF staffers who are involved in this process.
With kind regards Isaac
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020, 19:24 Ciell Wikipedia, ciell.wikipedia@gmail.com wrote:
Yaroslav did, and again the Framwiki case was mentioned. And while I do realise this bruised and scarred the relationship between the English community and the WMF, please realise the UCoC could benefit a lot of other communities. Those who are not vocal on this list, and are just the silent readers. Those who maybe do not even know this list exists, or do not read because of English not being their first language. Those who have been struggling to keep their wiki on track maybe, and do not have the time or knowledge to design and agree on behavioural ground rules. Or in countries where the volunteer work we do even might be dangerous, so they just try to stick to writing. The UCoC could benefit the whole movement, so please keep a global perspective on this.
And yes: I do agree we as volunteers deserve to give our input, and we deserve to be heard. But I do think we will get our chance. For now, it will be up to the writers to start a draft. Give them time to set this up properly.
Ciell
Op vr 31 jul. 2020 19:36 schreef Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com:
Hello Ciell,
These discussions took place on meta, not on en.wp. I don't believe
anyone
has brought up the English Wikipedia in particular.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 11:08 AM Ciell Wikipedia < ciell.wikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Since this is about a Universal Code of Conduct, please do not focus
this
thread on the English language Wikipedia alone.
Ciell
Op vr 31 jul. 2020 18:25 schreef Aron Manning <aronmanning5@gmail.com
:
As firmly endorsed by 41 community members (out of thousands) in the
ToU
for WMF <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Rec...
discussion, I think we can agree that the Terms of Use (and also the Code of
Conduct)
should apply to WMF employees as well, not just volunteers.
However, I don't see how from that it could be inferred that there
should
be no Code of Conduct for the communities. I believe that the important question is how the CoC will be
implemented:
will it be a tool for silencing unwanted POVs or a tool for
addressing
toxicity?
Just my thoughts. Aron
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 18:11, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com
wrote:
It is known and widely recognized that online communities were
excluded
from the strategy process. There was no way one could open RfC on
the
process, and no approval of the strategy by the editing
communities.
This has to be fixed now. It is difficult to fix, because there are
already
too many boundary conditions attached, and I am personally trying
to
do
whatever I can as a member of the transition strategy group.
On the other hand, there was no real RfC rejecting the UCoC (at
least I
am
not aware of one), even though many users, in particular, on the
English
Wikipedia in relation to the Fram affair, were very vocal about
this.
But
people become vocal about many things, some of them, for example,
continue
to advocate that we should fork from the existing project and this
forking
is the only way forward. People say many things, and we have
community
processes to see what is consensus and what is not.
In the current situation, specifically concerning UCoC, is to wait
for
the
draft / drafting principle, whatever comes on 24 august. If many
people
think the product is not acceptable they should open RfC on meta or
on
the
projects and see whether there is consensus it is unacceptable. For
these
RfCs to happen, but for this people should really follow the
process,
read
the draft and see what the consequences are. If online communities
are
not
involved in this process either, then things will go over and over
again
UCOc accepted as proposed, included into ToU, followed by a couple
of
high-profile bans, shistorm in the most active communities, and
complete
denial by WMF managers. We have been there and we do not want this happening again.
Best Yaroslav
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:55 PM Anders Wennersten < mail@anderswennersten.se> wrote:
If you choose to not take active part in he strategy process it
it
your
privilege. But the fact is that the Strategy is the steering
document
now for the nearest activities in the Movement. And the
endorsments
are
there to be read.
If you had wanted the endorsement to be visible in the form of a
Rfc,
you missed to express that in an appropriate moment.
Anders
(This being my third entry, it will be my last)
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:38, skrev Todd Allen: > I have read that, but do not see any public RfC nor any
individual
> statements. > > Todd > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:34 AM Anders Wennersten < mail@anderswennersten.se> > wrote: > >> Read
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20
>> and people involved supporting it and endorsing its different
phases
>> >> Anders >> >> Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:28, skrev Todd Allen: >>> Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals"
participated
in?
>> The >>> one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm
"No".
>>> >>> Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count. >>> >>> Todd >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten < >> mail@anderswennersten.se> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the
Strategy.
The
>>>> strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals representing >>>> more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is
the
closest
we >>>> have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But
as
in
a
>>>> democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a
decision,
it
does
>>>> not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree.
But
is
the
>>>> best way we know how to come to a decision. >>>> >>>> And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely
involve
all
>>>> parties being effected by it >>>> >>>> Anders >>>> >>>> Den 2020-07-31 kl. 16:28, skrev Todd Allen: >>>>> Uh, guys? >>>>> >>>>> That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct.
There
shouldn't >>>> be a >>>>> "drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved. >>>>> >>>>> Todd >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger < >>>>> csteigenberger@wikimedia.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of
Conduct
drafting
>>>>>> committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply,
either
by
>>>>>> publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an
email.
>> Volunteers >>>>>> from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different languages. >>>>>> >>>>>> We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of
experience
>>>> on-wiki, >>>>>> from someone who started editing only last year to people
who
have
>> been >>>>>> editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than
300,000
edits.
>>>>>> Applicants held a variety of different roles within the
movement,
and >>>> also >>>>>> informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in
their
>>>> real-life >>>>>> careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse
and
>> extremely >>>>>> qualified pool of applicants. >>>>>> >>>>>> For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision
making
we
>>>> want a >>>>>> committee that at the one hand will represent important
parts
of
the
>>>>>> movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose
strength
is
>>>> more in >>>>>> organizing events, wikimedians from different
demographics,
>> contributors >>>>>> from small and large wikis, and people holding different
roles
within >>>> the >>>>>> movement. We also wanted a group of people who will
collaborate
with
>> one >>>>>> another effectively and create the best possible Universal
Code
of
>>>> Conduct >>>>>> for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that
committees
>>>> that >>>>>> are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we
decided
to >>>> cap >>>>>> the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff
seats.
>>>>>> >>>>>> More information on the Committee and its new members can
be
found
on >>>> Meta >>>>>> < >>>>>> >>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
>>>>>> [1], and a timeline for their work is available on the
main
UCoC
page >>>>>> <
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct%3E
[2].
>> Please >>>>>> note that more chances for engagement are coming up during
the
>> community >>>>>> draft review period starting from August 24. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Christel >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
>>>>>> [2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
>>>>>> >>>>>> Christel Steigenberger (she/her) >>>>>> >>>>>> Trust and Safety Specialist >>>>>> >>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation https://wikimediafoundation.org/ >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
and
>>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> , >>>>>> mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org ?subject=unsubscribe >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines
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Hello, All the best to the people involved, it is an important endeavour. Of course, we are all curious about results. Kind regards Ziko
Am Do., 30. Juli 2020 um 19:49 Uhr schrieb Christel Steigenberger csteigenberger@wikimedia.org:
Hello everyone,
We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct drafting committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either by publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email. Volunteers from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different languages.
We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience on-wiki, from someone who started editing only last year to people who have been editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 edits. Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement, and also informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their real-life careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and extremely qualified pool of applicants.
For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - we want a committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of the movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength is more in organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics, contributors from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles within the movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate with one another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of Conduct for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that committees that are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided to cap the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats.
More information on the Committee and its new members can be found on Meta https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee [1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC page https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct [2]. Please note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the community draft review period starting from August 24.
Best regards, Christel
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
Christel Steigenberger (she/her)
Trust and Safety Specialist
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