As firmly endorsed by 41 community members (out of thousands) in the ToU
for WMF
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Diversity/9#Terms_of_Use_for_the_WMF>
discussion,
I think we can agree that the Terms of Use (and also the Code of Conduct)
should apply to WMF employees as well, not just volunteers.
However, I don't see how from that it could be inferred that there should
be no Code of Conduct for the communities.
I believe that the important question is how the CoC will be implemented:
will it be a tool for silencing unwanted POVs or a tool for addressing
toxicity?
Just my thoughts.
Aron
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 18:11, Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It is known and widely recognized that online
communities were excluded
from the strategy process. There was no way one could open RfC on the
process, and no approval of the strategy by the editing communities.
This has to be fixed now. It is difficult to fix, because there are already
too many boundary conditions attached, and I am personally trying to do
whatever I can as a member of the transition strategy group.
On the other hand, there was no real RfC rejecting the UCoC (at least I am
not aware of one), even though many users, in particular, on the English
Wikipedia in relation to the Fram affair, were very vocal about this. But
people become vocal about many things, some of them, for example, continue
to advocate that we should fork from the existing project and this forking
is the only way forward. People say many things, and we have community
processes to see what is consensus and what is not.
In the current situation, specifically concerning UCoC, is to wait for the
draft / drafting principle, whatever comes on 24 august. If many people
think the product is not acceptable they should open RfC on meta or on the
projects and see whether there is consensus it is unacceptable. For these
RfCs to happen, but for this people should really follow the process, read
the draft and see what the consequences are. If online communities are not
involved in this process either, then things will go over and over again -
UCOc accepted as proposed, included into ToU, followed by a couple of
high-profile bans, shistorm in the most active communities, and complete
denial by WMF managers. We have been there and we do not want this
happening again.
Best
Yaroslav
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:55 PM Anders Wennersten <
mail(a)anderswennersten.se>
wrote:
If you choose to not take active part in he
strategy process it it your
privilege. But the fact is that the Strategy is the steering document
now for the nearest activities in the Movement. And the endorsments are
there to be read.
If you had wanted the endorsement to be visible in the form of a Rfc,
you missed to express that in an appropriate moment.
Anders
(This being my third entry, it will be my last)
Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:38, skrev Todd Allen:
I have read that, but do not see any public RfC
nor any individual
statements.
Todd
On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:34 AM Anders Wennersten <
mail(a)anderswennersten.se>
wrote:
> Read
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20
>> and people involved supporting it and endorsing its different phases
>>
>> Anders
>>
>> Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:28, skrev Todd Allen:
>>> Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals" participated
in?
> The
>> one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No".
>>
>> Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count.
>>
>> Todd
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten <
> mail(a)anderswennersten.se>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy. The
>>> strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals
representing
>>>> more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the
closest
we
>>>> have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as in a
>>>> democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision, it
does
>>>> not mean all citizens, or even
groups of citizens, agree. But is the
>>>> best way we know how to come to a decision.
>>>>
>>>> And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely involve
all
>>> parties being effected by it
>>>
>>> Anders
>>>
>>> Den 2020-07-31 kl. 16:28, skrev Todd Allen:
>>>> Uh, guys?
>>>>
>>>> That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There
shouldn't
>>>> be a
>>>>> "drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved.
>>>>>
>>>>> Todd
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger <
>>>>> csteigenberger(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct
drafting
>>>>>> committee has been
assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either
by
>>>>> publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email.
> Volunteers
>>>>> from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different
languages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of
experience
>>>> on-wiki,
>>>>>> from someone who started editing only last year to people who
have
>> been
>>>>>> editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000
edits.
>>>>> Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement,
and
>>>> also
>>>>>> informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their
>>>> real-life
>>>>>> careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and
>> extremely
>>>>>> qualified pool of applicants.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making
-
we
>>>> want a
>>>>>> committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of
the
>>>>>> movement. Prolific
editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength
is
>>> more in
>>>>> organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics,
> contributors
>>>>> from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles
within
>>>> the
>>>>>> movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate
with
>> one
>>>>>> another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code
of
>>>> Conduct
>>>>>> for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that
committees
>>> that
>>>>> are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided
to
>>> cap
>>>>> the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats.
>>>>>
>>>>> More information on the Committee and its new members can be found
on
>>> Meta
>>>>> <
>>>>>
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
>>>>> [1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC
page
>>>>>
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct> [2].
> Please
>>>>> note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the
> community
>>>>> draft review period starting from August 24.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Christel
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
>>>>> [2]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
>>>>>
>>>>> Christel Steigenberger (she/her)
>>>>>
>>>>> Trust and Safety Specialist
>>>>>
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