I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local chapters have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their representatives if they must be represented.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as always :)
As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and organized groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole movement. In 2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the same location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was quite a unique situation because of the strategic process.
The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a goal. If being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the structure probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation for all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from the Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would be to fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This could be input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures where we even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would not imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider other areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or project communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of developing language communities in Africa or communities that are government-blocked - of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would also send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative what you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal).
There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could have in mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate from the official line that chapters don't represent language communities, though. That is, unless this official line has changed.
Warmly, Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi Lodewijk, hi JP,
Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia
Conference
would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be. For
the
Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited to the conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been.
To be more representative on a global scale and to have more different people from different regions present at the conference, we needed clear, transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no solution that covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this approach – with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference 2018. Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming year, this approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept of
the
Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway.
Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized in the past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least two representatives.
I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy to receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and transparent criteria.
Best regards,
Cornelius
On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland jpbeland@wikimedia.ca wrote:
I share the questions of Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Of course, I meant:
"The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and will
end
sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018."
Thank you Cornelius
--
Cornelius Kibelka
Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference
Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>:
Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates,
A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference
will
take
place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in
Berlin-Neukölln
(same location as in 2017). This email contains information about
the
program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited affiliates including the relevant reporting deadlines.
== Program Themes ==
As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia
Conference
2018 will again focus on three core themes.
Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the Wikimedia
Movement
Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer the
question
"How do we implement the strategic direction", which means
identifying the
roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities it
involves.
In order to ensure participation from the organized part of the
movement in
this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on movement
strategy.
This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation.
Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia organizations
and
groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in
working
with
partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at the
last
Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia
conferences,
we aim
to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience
sharing
and
learning around partnerships within and outside the Wikimedia
movement.
This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation’s
Global
Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development team
and
the
volunteer “Partnerships group”.
Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference currently
is
one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among Wikimedia
affiliates.
Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed
according
to
the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track will
be
designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning & Evaluation
team,
and
will complement the pre-conference Learning Days.
== Eligibility Criteria ==
The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia
Conference
2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation.
Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown
signs
of
recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on
their
reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017). Moreover, affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the Wikimedia Foundation before April 19, 2017.
== Participant number regulation ==
Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send two delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ at
least
0.5
FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is a
paid
staff
member.
Allied organizations may send two delegates.
The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of
active
editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any
affiliate,
or
have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was
recognized
after
April 19, 2017, may send one delegate.
As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese,
Vietnamese,
Tamil,
Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia Commonsand
Wikivoyage communities. - The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for theBengali
community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindicommunity), Wikimedia
Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community), aswell
as
the Commons Photographers User Group (for the Wikimedia
Commons
community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the Wikivoyage communities) may send one delegate. For the languagecommunities
(Japanese,
Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding andmaking
process
on who will be the one person sent to the conference, need tobe
made in
the public (on-wiki).== Registration timeline ==
The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and will
end
sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be
provided
on
Meta.[1]
If you have any questions regarding the registration process or the Wikimedia Conference, please
https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=gmail&source=g
do
not hesitate to send us an e-mail to
wmcon@wikimedia.de.
Warm regards,
Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka
Wikimedia Conference team
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018
-- Cornelius Kibelka Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de
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We absolutely do not want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user groups, for a multitude of reasons, one of the many being that the chapters are organized by country (or even by territory) whereas language communities are organized differently.
I think the idea that the language communities must be represented at a Wikimedia conference is just wrong. The absolute majority of the contributors to the Wikimedia projects just do not care (or do not know, for that matter) about local chapters and affiliates, and they will be very much surprised to learn that they are represented by anybody at a conference which started as a conference of affiliates.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com wrote:
I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local chapters have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their representatives if they must be represented.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as always :)
As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and organized groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole movement. In 2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the same location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was quite a unique situation because of the strategic process.
The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a goal. If being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the structure probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation for all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from the Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would be to fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This could be input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures where we even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would not imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider other areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or project communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of developing language communities in Africa or communities that are government-blocked - of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would also send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative what you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal).
There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could have in mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate from the official line that chapters don't represent language communities, though. That is, unless this official line has changed.
Warmly, Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi Lodewijk, hi JP,
Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia
Conference
would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be. For
the
Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited to
the
conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been.
To be more representative on a global scale and to have more different people from different regions present at the conference, we needed clear, transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no solution
that
covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this
approach
– with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference 2018. Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming year,
this
approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept of
the
Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway.
Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized in
the
past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least two representatives.
I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy to receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and transparent criteria.
Best regards,
Cornelius
On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland <jpbeland@wikimedia.ca
wrote:
I share the questions of Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Of course, I meant:
"The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and will
end
sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018."
Thank you Cornelius
--
Cornelius Kibelka
Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference
Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>:
Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates,
A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference
will
take
place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in
Berlin-Neukölln
(same location as in 2017). This email contains information about
the
program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited affiliates including the relevant reporting deadlines.
== Program Themes ==
As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia
Conference
2018 will again focus on three core themes.
Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the Wikimedia
Movement
Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer the
question
"How do we implement the strategic direction", which means
identifying the
roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities it
involves.
In order to ensure participation from the organized part of the
movement in
this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on
movement
strategy.
This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation.
Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia organizations
and
groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in
working
with
partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at
the
last
Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia
conferences,
we aim
to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience
sharing
and
learning around partnerships within and outside the Wikimedia
movement.
This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation’s
Global
Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development
team
and
the
volunteer “Partnerships group”.
Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference currently
is
one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among Wikimedia
affiliates.
Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed
according
to
the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track will
be
designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning & Evaluation
team,
and
will complement the pre-conference Learning Days.
== Eligibility Criteria ==
The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia
Conference
2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation.
Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown
signs
of
recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on
their
reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017).
Moreover,
affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the Wikimedia Foundation before April 19, 2017.
== Participant number regulation ==
Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send two delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ at
least
0.5
FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is a
paid
staff
member.
Allied organizations may send two delegates.
The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of
active
editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any
affiliate,
or
have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was
recognized
after
April 19, 2017, may send one delegate.
As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese,
Vietnamese,
Tamil,
Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia Commonsand
Wikivoyage communities. - The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for theBengali
community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindicommunity), Wikimedia
Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community), aswell
as
the Commons Photographers User Group (for the WikimediaCommons
community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the Wikivoyage communities) may send one delegate. For the languagecommunities
(Japanese,
Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding andmaking
process
on who will be the one person sent to the conference, need tobe
made in
the public (on-wiki).== Registration timeline ==
The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and will
end
sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be
provided
on
Meta.[1]
If you have any questions regarding the registration process or the Wikimedia Conference, please
https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=gmail&source=g
do
not hesitate to send us an e-mail to
wmcon@wikimedia.de.
Warm regards,
Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka
Wikimedia Conference team
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018
-- Cornelius Kibelka Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de
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Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! http://spenden.wikimedia.de/
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I agree the risks involved with having projects including language wikipedias as recognised groups and represented by individuals will expose both them and the WMF to legal obligations. At the moment WMF is at arms length to the contributing communities as are affiliates, that's an important separation that needs to be maintained.
On 24 October 2017 at 13:14, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:
We absolutely do not want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user groups, for a multitude of reasons, one of the many being that the chapters are organized by country (or even by territory) whereas language communities are organized differently.
I think the idea that the language communities must be represented at a Wikimedia conference is just wrong. The absolute majority of the contributors to the Wikimedia projects just do not care (or do not know, for that matter) about local chapters and affiliates, and they will be very much surprised to learn that they are represented by anybody at a conference which started as a conference of affiliates.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com wrote:
I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local chapters have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their representatives if they must be represented.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as always
:)
As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and
organized
groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole movement.
In
2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the same location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was quite a unique situation because of the strategic process.
The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a goal.
If
being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the
structure
probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation for all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from the Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would be
to
fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This could be input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures where
we
even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would not imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider other areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or
project
communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of developing language communities in Africa or communities that are
government-blocked -
of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would
also
send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative what you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal).
There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could have
in
mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate
from
the official line that chapters don't represent language communities, though. That is, unless this official line has changed.
Warmly, Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi Lodewijk, hi JP,
Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia
Conference
would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be. For
the
Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited to
the
conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been.
To be more representative on a global scale and to have more different people from different regions present at the conference, we needed
clear,
transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no solution
that
covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this
approach
– with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference
Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming year,
this
approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept of
the
Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway.
Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized in
the
past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least two representatives.
I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy to receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and
transparent
criteria.
Best regards,
Cornelius
On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland <
jpbeland@wikimedia.ca
wrote:
I share the questions of Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Of course, I meant:
"The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and
will
end
sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018."
Thank you Cornelius
--
Cornelius Kibelka
Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference
Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>:
Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates,
A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference
will
take
place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in
Berlin-Neukölln
(same location as in 2017). This email contains information about
the
program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited
affiliates
including the relevant reporting deadlines.
== Program Themes ==
As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia
Conference
2018 will again focus on three core themes.
Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the Wikimedia
Movement
Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer
the
question
"How do we implement the strategic direction", which means
identifying the
roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities
it
involves.
In order to ensure participation from the organized part of
the
movement in
this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on
movement
strategy.
This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation.
Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia
organizations
and
groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in
working
with
partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at
the
last
Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia
conferences,
we aim
to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience
sharing
and
learning around partnerships within and outside the Wikimedia
movement.
This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation’s
Global
Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development
team
and
the
volunteer “Partnerships group”.
Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference
currently
is
one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among
Wikimedia
affiliates.
Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed
according
to
the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track
will
be
designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning &
Evaluation
team,
and
will complement the pre-conference Learning Days.
== Eligibility Criteria ==
The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia
Conference
2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation.
Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown
signs
of
recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on
their
reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017).
Moreover,
affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the
Wikimedia
Foundation before April 19, 2017.
== Participant number regulation ==
Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send two delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ at
least
0.5
FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is a
paid
staff
member.
Allied organizations may send two delegates.
The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of
active
editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any
affiliate,
or
have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was
recognized
after
April 19, 2017, may send one delegate.
As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese,
Vietnamese,
Tamil,
Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, WikimediaCommons
and
Wikivoyage communities. - The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for theBengali
community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindicommunity), Wikimedia
Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community), aswell
as
the Commons Photographers User Group (for the WikimediaCommons
community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for theWikivoyage
communities) may send one delegate. For the languagecommunities
(Japanese,
Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding andmaking
process
on who will be the one person sent to the conference, needto
be
made in
the public (on-wiki).== Registration timeline ==
The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and will
end
sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be
provided
on
Meta.[1]
If you have any questions regarding the registration process or
the
Wikimedia Conference, please
gmail&source=g>
do
not hesitate to send us an e-mail to
wmcon@wikimedia.de.
Warm regards,
Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka
Wikimedia Conference team
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018
-- Cornelius Kibelka Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference
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Berlin
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Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its purpose has always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not as representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a specific language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia.
Michael
On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com wrote:
I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local chapters have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their representatives if they must be represented.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as always :)
As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and organized groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole movement. In 2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the same location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was quite a unique situation because of the strategic process.
The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a goal. If being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the structure probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation for all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from the Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would be to fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This could be input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures where we even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would not imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider other areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or project communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of developing language communities in Africa or communities that are government-blocked - of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would also send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative what you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal).
There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could have in mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate from the official line that chapters don't represent language communities, though. That is, unless this official line has changed.
Warmly, Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi Lodewijk, hi JP,
Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia
Conference
would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be. For
the
Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited to the conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been.
To be more representative on a global scale and to have more different people from different regions present at the conference, we needed clear, transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no solution that covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this approach – with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference 2018. Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming year, this approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept of
the
Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway.
Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized in the past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least two representatives.
I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy to receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and transparent criteria.
Best regards,
Cornelius
On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland jpbeland@wikimedia.ca wrote:
I share the questions of Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Of course, I meant:
"The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and will
end
sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018."
Thank you Cornelius
--
Cornelius Kibelka
Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference
Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>:
Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates,
A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference
will
take
place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in
Berlin-Neukölln
(same location as in 2017). This email contains information about
the
program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited affiliates including the relevant reporting deadlines.
== Program Themes ==
As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia
Conference
2018 will again focus on three core themes.
Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the Wikimedia
Movement
Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer the
question
"How do we implement the strategic direction", which means
identifying the
roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities it
involves.
In order to ensure participation from the organized part of the
movement in
this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on movement
strategy.
This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation.
Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia organizations
and
groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in
working
with
partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at the
last
Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia
conferences,
we aim
to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience
sharing
and
learning around partnerships within and outside the Wikimedia
movement.
This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation’s
Global
Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development team
and
the
volunteer “Partnerships group”.
Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference currently
is
one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among Wikimedia
affiliates.
Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed
according
to
the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track will
be
designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning & Evaluation
team,
and
will complement the pre-conference Learning Days.
== Eligibility Criteria ==
The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia
Conference
2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation.
Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown
signs
of
recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on
their
reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017). Moreover, affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the Wikimedia Foundation before April 19, 2017.
== Participant number regulation ==
Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send two delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ at
least
0.5
FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is a
paid
staff
member.
Allied organizations may send two delegates.
The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of
active
editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any
affiliate,
or
have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was
recognized
after
April 19, 2017, may send one delegate.
As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese,
Vietnamese,
Tamil,
Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia Commonsand
Wikivoyage communities. - The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for theBengali
community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindicommunity), Wikimedia
Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community), aswell
as
the Commons Photographers User Group (for the WikimediaCommons
community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the Wikivoyage communities) may send one delegate. For the languagecommunities
(Japanese,
Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding andmaking
process
on who will be the one person sent to the conference, need tobe
made in
the public (on-wiki).== Registration timeline ==
The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and will
end
sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be
provided
on
Meta.[1]
If you have any questions regarding the registration process or the Wikimedia Conference, please
https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=gmail&source=g
do
not hesitate to send us an e-mail to
wmcon@wikimedia.de.
Warm regards,
Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka
Wikimedia Conference team
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018
-- Cornelius Kibelka Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de
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The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is not representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and advantages, the affiliate model has become very different.
Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages and topics to varying degrees.
In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local language representatives. There is a difference though between representative in an outreach, engagement or communication role with that of legal representative.
The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as affiliates gain in their experience. Maybe the conference should reflect the new roles and responsibilities being carved out by the evolving affiliate model.
Seddon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name wrote:
Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its purpose has always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not as representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a specific language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia.
Michael
On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com
wrote:
I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local chapters have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their representatives if they must be represented.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as always
:)
As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and
organized
groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole movement.
In
2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the same location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was quite a unique situation because of the strategic process.
The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a goal.
If
being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the
structure
probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation for all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from the Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would be
to
fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This could be input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures where
we
even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would not imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider other areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or
project
communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of developing language communities in Africa or communities that are
government-blocked -
of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would
also
send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative what you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal).
There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could have
in
mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate
from
the official line that chapters don't represent language communities, though. That is, unless this official line has changed.
Warmly, Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi Lodewijk, hi JP,
Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia
Conference
would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be. For
the
Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited to
the
conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been.
To be more representative on a global scale and to have more different people from different regions present at the conference, we needed
clear,
transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no solution
that
covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this
approach
– with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference
Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming year,
this
approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept of
the
Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway.
Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized in
the
past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least two representatives.
I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy to receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and transparent criteria.
Best regards,
Cornelius
On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland <
jpbeland@wikimedia.ca>
wrote:
I share the questions of Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Of course, I meant:
"The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and will
end
sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018."
Thank you Cornelius
--
Cornelius Kibelka
Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference
Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>:
Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates,
A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference
will
take
place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in
Berlin-Neukölln
(same location as in 2017). This email contains information about
the
program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited affiliates including the relevant reporting deadlines.
== Program Themes ==
As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia
Conference
2018 will again focus on three core themes.
Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the Wikimedia
Movement
Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer the
question
"How do we implement the strategic direction", which means
identifying the
roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities it
involves.
In order to ensure participation from the organized part of the
movement in
this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on movement
strategy.
This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation.
Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia organizations
and
groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in
working
with
partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at the
last
Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia
conferences,
we aim
to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience
sharing
and
learning around partnerships within and outside the Wikimedia
movement.
This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation’s
Global
Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development team
and
the
volunteer “Partnerships group”.
Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference currently
is
one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among Wikimedia
affiliates.
Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed
according
to
the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track will
be
designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning & Evaluation
team,
and
will complement the pre-conference Learning Days.
== Eligibility Criteria ==
The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia
Conference
2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia Foundation.
Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown
signs
of
recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on
their
reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017). Moreover, affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the Wikimedia Foundation before April 19, 2017.
== Participant number regulation ==
Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send two delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ at
least
0.5
FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is a
paid
staff
member.
Allied organizations may send two delegates.
The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of
active
editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any
affiliate,
or
have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was
recognized
after
April 19, 2017, may send one delegate.
As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese,
Vietnamese,
Tamil,
Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia Commonsand
Wikivoyage communities. - The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for theBengali
community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindicommunity), Wikimedia
Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community), aswell
as
the Commons Photographers User Group (for the WikimediaCommons
community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the Wikivoyage communities) may send one delegate. For the languagecommunities
(Japanese,
Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding andmaking
process
on who will be the one person sent to the conference, need tobe
made in
the public (on-wiki).== Registration timeline ==
The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and will
end
sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be
provided
on
Meta.[1]
If you have any questions regarding the registration process or the Wikimedia Conference, please
https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=gmail&source=g
do
not hesitate to send us an e-mail to
wmcon@wikimedia.de.
Warm regards,
Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka
Wikimedia Conference team
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018
-- Cornelius Kibelka Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference
Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 http://wikimedia.de
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Hi all,
Thanks for pointing this out. I agree that “representing” is not the right word.
I wrote:
“The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of active editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any affiliate, or have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was recognized after April 19, 2017, may send one delegate.”
A better formulation could be:
"The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of active editors [>5 edits/month]) ***with no related or supporting affiliate, or where there is an affiliate,*** which is not eligible because it was recognized after April 19, 2017, may send one delegate."
As in 2017, the 2018 conference will again be one conference with three different tracks. We will again create one track specifically dedicated to discussions about the future of our movement, including conversations about the future set-up and representation at this conference. We have included this new criterion, because we would like to also get input from communities with no related/supporting affiliate (yet!). This is done to increase the diversity of participants in terms of geography, without making arbitrary choices.
I did not mean to imply that language communities are (or should be) under control of local chapters or user groups.
I hope this answers your questions and am happy to continue improving the clarity of the process according to your input.
Best regards,
Cornelius
On 24 October 2017 at 13:56, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is not representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and advantages, the affiliate model has become very different.
Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages and topics to varying degrees.
In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local language representatives. There is a difference though between representative in an outreach, engagement or communication role with that of legal representative.
The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as affiliates gain in their experience. Maybe the conference should reflect the new roles and responsibilities being carved out by the evolving affiliate model.
Seddon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name wrote:
Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its purpose has always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not as representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a specific language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia.
Michael
On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com
wrote:
I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local
chapters
have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their representatives if they must be represented.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote:
That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as
always
:)
As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and
organized
groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole
movement.
In
2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the
same
location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was quite
a
unique situation because of the strategic process.
The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a
goal.
If
being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the
structure
probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation
for
all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from the Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would
be
to
fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This could
be
input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures where
we
even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would
not
imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider
other
areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or
project
communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of developing language communities in Africa or communities that are
government-blocked -
of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would
also
send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative
what
you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal).
There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could have
in
mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate
from
the official line that chapters don't represent language communities, though. That is, unless this official line has changed.
Warmly, Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi Lodewijk, hi JP,
Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia
Conference
would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be.
For
the
Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited to
the
conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been.
To be more representative on a global scale and to have more different people from different regions present at the conference, we needed
clear,
transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no solution
that
covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this
approach
– with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference
Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming year,
this
approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept
of
the
Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway.
Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized in
the
past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least two representatives.
I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy to receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and
transparent
criteria.
Best regards,
Cornelius
On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland <
jpbeland@wikimedia.ca>
wrote:
I share the questions of Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Of course, I meant:
"The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and will
end
sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018."
Thank you Cornelius
--
Cornelius Kibelka
Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference
Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>:
> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates, > > A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference
will
take > place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in
Berlin-Neukölln
> (same location as in 2017). This email contains information about
the
> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited affiliates > including the relevant reporting deadlines. > > == Program Themes == > > As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia
Conference
> 2018 will again focus on three core themes. > > - > > Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the Wikimedia
Movement
> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer the question > "How do we implement the strategic direction", which means identifying the > roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities it involves. > In order to ensure participation from the organized part of the movement in > this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on movement strategy. > This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation.
> - > > Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia organizations
and
> groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in
working
with > partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at the
last
> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia
conferences,
we aim > to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience
sharing
and
> learning around partnerships within and outside the Wikimedia movement. > This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation’s
Global > Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development team
and
the > volunteer “Partnerships group”. > - > > Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference currently
is
> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among Wikimedia affiliates. > Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed
according
to > the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track will
be
> designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning & Evaluation
team,
and > will complement the pre-conference Learning Days. > > > == Eligibility Criteria == > > The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia
Conference
> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia > Foundation. > > Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown
signs
of
> recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on
their
> reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017).
Moreover,
> affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the Wikimedia > Foundation before April 19, 2017. > > == Participant number regulation == > > - > > Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send two > delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ at
least
0.5 > FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is a
paid
staff > member. > - > > Allied organizations may send two delegates. > - > > The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of
active
> editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any
affiliate,
or > have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was
recognized
after > April 19, 2017, may send one delegate. > - > > As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an > (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese,
Vietnamese,
Tamil, > Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia Commons
and
> Wikivoyage communities. > - > > The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for the
Bengali
> community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindi community), Wikimedia > Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community), as
well
as
> the Commons Photographers User Group (for the Wikimedia
Commons
> community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the Wikivoyage > communities) may send one delegate. For the language
communities
(Japanese, > Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding and
making
process > on who will be the one person sent to the conference, need to
be
made in > the public (on-wiki). > > > == Registration timeline == > > The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and will
end
> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be
provided
on > Meta.[1] > > If you have any questions regarding the registration process or the > Wikimedia Conference, please <https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=gmail&source=g
do
not hesitate to send us an e-mail to > wmcon@wikimedia.de. > > Warm regards, > > Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka > > Wikimedia Conference team > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018 > > > -- > Cornelius Kibelka > Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) > for the Wikimedia Conference > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin > Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 > http://wikimedia.de > > Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge
allen
> Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! > http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens
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V.
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Affiliates have no authority over content, just like the WMF has no authority over content, to imply otherwise whether intentionally or by accident of design is a problem we need fix ensuring that that line isnt crossed. Not only do legal and liabilities make this a must, for affiliates in countries where the governments arent exactly free put editors(real people) at personal risk and content neutrality at risk. Wikimedia Spain isnt responsible for the spanish wikipedia any more than Wikimedia Mexico is, languages cross borders affiliates shouldnt overlap each other or borders
<edit conflict>
On 24 October 2017 at 19:56, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is not representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and advantages, the affiliate model has become very different.
Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages and topics to varying degrees.
In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local language representatives. There is a difference though between representative in an outreach, engagement or communication role with that of legal representative.
The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as affiliates gain in their experience. Maybe the conference should reflect the new roles and responsibilities being carved out by the evolving affiliate model.
Seddon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name wrote:
Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its purpose has always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not as representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a specific language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia.
Michael
On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com
wrote:
I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local
chapters
have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their representatives if they must be represented.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote:
That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as
always
:)
As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and
organized
groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole
movement.
In
2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the
same
location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was quite
a
unique situation because of the strategic process.
The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a
goal.
If
being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the
structure
probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation
for
all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from the Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would
be
to
fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This could
be
input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures where
we
even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would
not
imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider
other
areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or
project
communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of developing language communities in Africa or communities that are
government-blocked -
of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would
also
send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative
what
you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal).
There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could have
in
mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate
from
the official line that chapters don't represent language communities, though. That is, unless this official line has changed.
Warmly, Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi Lodewijk, hi JP,
Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia
Conference
would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be.
For
the
Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited to
the
conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been.
To be more representative on a global scale and to have more different people from different regions present at the conference, we needed
clear,
transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no solution
that
covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this
approach
– with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference
Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming year,
this
approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept
of
the
Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway.
Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized in
the
past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least two representatives.
I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy to receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and
transparent
criteria.
Best regards,
Cornelius
On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland <
jpbeland@wikimedia.ca>
wrote:
I share the questions of Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Of course, I meant:
"The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and will
end
sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018."
Thank you Cornelius
--
Cornelius Kibelka
Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference
Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>:
> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates, > > A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference
will
take > place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in
Berlin-Neukölln
> (same location as in 2017). This email contains information about
the
> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited affiliates > including the relevant reporting deadlines. > > == Program Themes == > > As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia
Conference
> 2018 will again focus on three core themes. > > - > > Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the Wikimedia
Movement
> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer the question > "How do we implement the strategic direction", which means identifying the > roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities it involves. > In order to ensure participation from the organized part of the movement in > this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on movement strategy. > This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation.
> - > > Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia organizations
and
> groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in
working
with > partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at the
last
> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia
conferences,
we aim > to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience
sharing
and
> learning around partnerships within and outside the Wikimedia movement. > This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation’s
Global > Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development team
and
the > volunteer “Partnerships group”. > - > > Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference currently
is
> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among Wikimedia affiliates. > Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed
according
to > the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track will
be
> designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning & Evaluation
team,
and > will complement the pre-conference Learning Days. > > > == Eligibility Criteria == > > The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia
Conference
> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia > Foundation. > > Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown
signs
of
> recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on
their
> reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017).
Moreover,
> affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the Wikimedia > Foundation before April 19, 2017. > > == Participant number regulation == > > - > > Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send two > delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ at
least
0.5 > FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is a
paid
staff > member. > - > > Allied organizations may send two delegates. > - > > The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of
active
> editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any
affiliate,
or > have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was
recognized
after > April 19, 2017, may send one delegate. > - > > As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an > (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese,
Vietnamese,
Tamil, > Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia Commons
and
> Wikivoyage communities. > - > > The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for the
Bengali
> community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindi community), Wikimedia > Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community), as
well
as
> the Commons Photographers User Group (for the Wikimedia
Commons
> community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the Wikivoyage > communities) may send one delegate. For the language
communities
(Japanese, > Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding and
making
process > on who will be the one person sent to the conference, need to
be
made in > the public (on-wiki). > > > == Registration timeline == > > The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and will
end
> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be
provided
on > Meta.[1] > > If you have any questions regarding the registration process or the > Wikimedia Conference, please <https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=gmail&source=g
do
not hesitate to send us an e-mail to > wmcon@wikimedia.de. > > Warm regards, > > Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka > > Wikimedia Conference team > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018 > > > -- > Cornelius Kibelka > Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) > for the Wikimedia Conference > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin > Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 > http://wikimedia.de > > Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge
allen
> Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! > http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens
e.
V.
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While it is true that there are now for *some* languages also organizations that have it as their specific goal to support those (Amical has been doing that for Catalan for a long time, though), this is not the case for most major languages. In the whole field of affiliates, including user groups, most are tied to a geography, rather than other factors.
Even in an outreach, engagement, communication perspective, we have always held off on calling the affiliates 'representative'. In this context it would even go a step further: it would make them *politically* representative. This could be particularly painful when an editing community does not feel represented (for example, because the user group that has their language as focus, if any, is the subset of users that likes to focus on a subset of topics that is not the focus of most of the community.
While lines between focus areas blur, and our movement diversifies, this does not necessarily mean the roles changed that much.
If your goal really is to make it representative, then you either have to make affiliates more representative, or you have to invite other people.
I'm looking forward to Cornelius' response on what the underlying goal is for this change, because I suspect his proposed change of wording is not cutting it yet.
Lodewijk
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is not representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and advantages, the affiliate model has become very different.
Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages and topics to varying degrees.
In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local language representatives. There is a difference though between representative in an outreach, engagement or communication role with that of legal representative.
The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as affiliates gain in their experience. Maybe the conference should reflect the new roles and responsibilities being carved out by the evolving affiliate model.
Seddon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name wrote:
Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its purpose has always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not as representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a specific language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia.
Michael
On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com
wrote:
I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local
chapters
have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or user groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their representatives if they must be represented.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote:
That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as
always
:)
As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and
organized
groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole
movement.
In
2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the
same
location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was quite
a
unique situation because of the strategic process.
The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a
goal.
If
being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the
structure
probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation
for
all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from the Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would
be
to
fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This could
be
input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures where
we
even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would
not
imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider
other
areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or
project
communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of developing language communities in Africa or communities that are
government-blocked -
of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would
also
send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative
what
you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal).
There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could have
in
mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate
from
the official line that chapters don't represent language communities, though. That is, unless this official line has changed.
Warmly, Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi Lodewijk, hi JP,
Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia
Conference
would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be.
For
the
Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited to
the
conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been.
To be more representative on a global scale and to have more different people from different regions present at the conference, we needed
clear,
transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no solution
that
covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this
approach
– with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference
Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming year,
this
approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept
of
the
Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway.
Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized in
the
past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least two representatives.
I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy to receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and
transparent
criteria.
Best regards,
Cornelius
On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland <
jpbeland@wikimedia.ca>
wrote:
I share the questions of Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Of course, I meant:
"The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and will
end
sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018."
Thank you Cornelius
--
Cornelius Kibelka
Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) for the Wikimedia Conference
Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>:
> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates, > > A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference
will
take > place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in
Berlin-Neukölln
> (same location as in 2017). This email contains information about
the
> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited affiliates > including the relevant reporting deadlines. > > == Program Themes == > > As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia
Conference
> 2018 will again focus on three core themes. > > - > > Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the Wikimedia
Movement
> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer the question > "How do we implement the strategic direction", which means identifying the > roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities it involves. > In order to ensure participation from the organized part of the movement in > this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on movement strategy. > This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation.
> - > > Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia organizations
and
> groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in
working
with > partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at the
last
> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia
conferences,
we aim > to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience
sharing
and
> learning around partnerships within and outside the Wikimedia movement. > This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation’s
Global > Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development team
and
the > volunteer “Partnerships group”. > - > > Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference currently
is
> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among Wikimedia affiliates. > Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed
according
to > the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track will
be
> designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning & Evaluation
team,
and > will complement the pre-conference Learning Days. > > > == Eligibility Criteria == > > The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia
Conference
> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia > Foundation. > > Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown
signs
of
> recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on
their
> reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017).
Moreover,
> affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the Wikimedia > Foundation before April 19, 2017. > > == Participant number regulation == > > - > > Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send two > delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ at
least
0.5 > FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is a
paid
staff > member. > - > > Allied organizations may send two delegates. > - > > The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of
active
> editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any
affiliate,
or > have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was
recognized
after > April 19, 2017, may send one delegate. > - > > As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an > (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese,
Vietnamese,
Tamil, > Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia Commons
and
> Wikivoyage communities. > - > > The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for the
Bengali
> community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindi community), Wikimedia > Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community), as
well
as
> the Commons Photographers User Group (for the Wikimedia
Commons
> community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the Wikivoyage > communities) may send one delegate. For the language
communities
(Japanese, > Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding and
making
process > on who will be the one person sent to the conference, need to
be
made in > the public (on-wiki). > > > == Registration timeline == > > The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and will
end
> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be
provided
on > Meta.[1] > > If you have any questions regarding the registration process or the > Wikimedia Conference, please <https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=gmail&source=g
do
not hesitate to send us an e-mail to > wmcon@wikimedia.de. > > Warm regards, > > Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka > > Wikimedia Conference team > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018 > > > -- > Cornelius Kibelka > Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) > for the Wikimedia Conference > > Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963 Berlin > Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 > http://wikimedia.de > > Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge
allen
> Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! > http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ > > Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens
e.
V.
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I just want to add my 2p on this.
I raised my eyebrows last year when so many people were invited to WMCON but I could see the rationale for one-off face-to-face strategy conversations.
However I am concerned by the idea that WMCON is now turning into a large, standing, deliberative/representative body and losing focus on supporting affiliates' impact.
WMCON can never be a representative group for the movement, let's not try.
Chris
On 24 Oct 2017 17:30, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
While it is true that there are now for *some* languages also organizations that have it as their specific goal to support those (Amical has been doing that for Catalan for a long time, though), this is not the case for most major languages. In the whole field of affiliates, including user groups, most are tied to a geography, rather than other factors.
Even in an outreach, engagement, communication perspective, we have always held off on calling the affiliates 'representative'. In this context it would even go a step further: it would make them *politically* representative. This could be particularly painful when an editing community does not feel represented (for example, because the user group that has their language as focus, if any, is the subset of users that likes to focus on a subset of topics that is not the focus of most of the community.
While lines between focus areas blur, and our movement diversifies, this does not necessarily mean the roles changed that much.
If your goal really is to make it representative, then you either have to make affiliates more representative, or you have to invite other people.
I'm looking forward to Cornelius' response on what the underlying goal is for this change, because I suspect his proposed change of wording is not cutting it yet.
Lodewijk
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is not representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and advantages, the affiliate model has become very different.
Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages and topics to varying degrees.
In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local language representatives. There is a difference though between representative in
an
outreach, engagement or communication role with that of legal representative.
The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as affiliates gain in their experience. Maybe the conference should reflect the new roles
and
responsibilities being carved out by the evolving affiliate model.
Seddon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name wrote:
Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its purpose has always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not as representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a specific language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia.
Michael
On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com
wrote:
I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local
chapters
have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or
user
groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their representatives if they must be represented.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote:
That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as
always
:)
As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and
organized
groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole
movement.
In
2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the
same
location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was
quite
a
unique situation because of the strategic process.
The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a
goal.
If
being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the
structure
probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation
for
all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from the Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would
be
to
fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This
could
be
input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures
where
we
even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would
not
imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider
other
areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or
project
communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of
developing
language communities in Africa or communities that are
government-blocked -
of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would
also
send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative
what
you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal).
There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could
have
in
mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate
from
the official line that chapters don't represent language communities, though. That is, unless this official line has changed.
Warmly, Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi Lodewijk, hi JP,
Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia
Conference
would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be.
For
the
Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited
to
the
conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been.
To be more representative on a global scale and to have more
different
people from different regions present at the conference, we needed
clear,
transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no
solution
that
covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this
approach
– with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference
Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming
year,
this
approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept
of
the
Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway.
Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized
in
the
past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least
two
representatives.
I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy
to
receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and
transparent
criteria.
Best regards,
Cornelius
On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland <
jpbeland@wikimedia.ca>
wrote:
I share the questions of Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> Of course, I meant: > > "The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and
will
end
> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018." > > Thank you > Cornelius > > -- > > Cornelius Kibelka > > Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) > for the Wikimedia Conference > > > > Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < > cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>: > >> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates, >> >> A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference
will
> take >> place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in
Berlin-Neukölln
>> (same location as in 2017). This email contains information about
the
>> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited
affiliates
>> including the relevant reporting deadlines. >> >> == Program Themes == >> >> As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia
Conference
>> 2018 will again focus on three core themes. >> >> - >> >> Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the Wikimedia Movement >> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer
the
> question >> "How do we implement the strategic direction", which means > identifying the >> roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities it > involves. >> In order to ensure participation from the organized part of the > movement in >> this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on
movement
> strategy. >> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation.
>> - >> >> Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia organizations
and
>> groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in
working
> with >> partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at
the
last >> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia
conferences,
> we aim >> to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience
sharing
and >> learning around partnerships within and outside the Wikimedia > movement. >> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation’s
> Global >> Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development
team
and > the >> volunteer “Partnerships group”. >> - >> >> Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference
currently
is
>> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among Wikimedia > affiliates. >> Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed according > to >> the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track
will
be
>> designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning & Evaluation team, > and >> will complement the pre-conference Learning Days. >> >> >> == Eligibility Criteria == >> >> The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia
Conference
>> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia >> Foundation. >> >> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown
signs
of >> recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on
their
>> reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017).
Moreover,
>> affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the
Wikimedia
>> Foundation before April 19, 2017. >> >> == Participant number regulation == >> >> - >> >> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send two >> delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ at
least
> 0.5 >> FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is a
paid
> staff >> member. >> - >> >> Allied organizations may send two delegates. >> - >> >> The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of
active
>> editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any
affiliate,
> or >> have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was
recognized
> after >> April 19, 2017, may send one delegate. >> - >> >> As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an >> (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese,
Vietnamese,
> Tamil, >> Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia
Commons
and
>> Wikivoyage communities. >> - >> >> The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for the Bengali >> community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindi > community), Wikimedia >> Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community), as
well
as >> the Commons Photographers User Group (for the Wikimedia
Commons
>> community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the
Wikivoyage
>> communities) may send one delegate. For the language
communities
> (Japanese, >> Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding and
making
> process >> on who will be the one person sent to the conference, need
to
be
> made in >> the public (on-wiki). >> >> >> == Registration timeline == >> >> The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and will
end
>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be
provided
> on >> Meta.[1] >> >> If you have any questions regarding the registration process or
the
>> Wikimedia Conference, please > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=
gmail&source=g
do
> not hesitate to send us an e-mail to >> wmcon@wikimedia.de. >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka >> >> Wikimedia Conference team >> >> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018 >> >> >> -- >> Cornelius Kibelka >> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) >> for the Wikimedia Conference >> >> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963
Berlin
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Hi Lodewijk,
One of the goals for the 2018 conference will be to come to an agreement upon the ultimate goal, structure and set-up for the Wikimedia Conference in the longer future. The outcomes of these conversations will also depend on the agreements we achieve during phase 2 of the strategy process, for example in terms of roles and responsibilities of movement organizations. By slightly adjusting the 2018 participation criteria (we're talking about 10 people), we do not mean to change the overall nature of the conference for the future. It's just a quick fix for the symptoms, not a solution to the overall.
Best regards Cornelius
On 24 October 2017 at 18:29, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
While it is true that there are now for *some* languages also organizations that have it as their specific goal to support those (Amical has been doing that for Catalan for a long time, though), this is not the case for most major languages. In the whole field of affiliates, including user groups, most are tied to a geography, rather than other factors.
Even in an outreach, engagement, communication perspective, we have always held off on calling the affiliates 'representative'. In this context it would even go a step further: it would make them *politically* representative. This could be particularly painful when an editing community does not feel represented (for example, because the user group that has their language as focus, if any, is the subset of users that likes to focus on a subset of topics that is not the focus of most of the community.
While lines between focus areas blur, and our movement diversifies, this does not necessarily mean the roles changed that much.
If your goal really is to make it representative, then you either have to make affiliates more representative, or you have to invite other people.
I'm looking forward to Cornelius' response on what the underlying goal is for this change, because I suspect his proposed change of wording is not cutting it yet.
Lodewijk
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is not representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and advantages, the affiliate model has become very different.
Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages and topics to varying degrees.
In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local language representatives. There is a difference though between representative in
an
outreach, engagement or communication role with that of legal representative.
The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as affiliates gain in their experience. Maybe the conference should reflect the new roles
and
responsibilities being carved out by the evolving affiliate model.
Seddon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name wrote:
Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its purpose has always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not as representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a specific language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia.
Michael
On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com
wrote:
I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local
chapters
have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or
user
groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their representatives if they must be represented.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote:
That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as
always
:)
As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and
organized
groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole
movement.
In
2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the
same
location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was
quite
a
unique situation because of the strategic process.
The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a
goal.
If
being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the
structure
probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation
for
all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from the Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would
be
to
fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This
could
be
input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures
where
we
even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would
not
imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider
other
areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or
project
communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of
developing
language communities in Africa or communities that are
government-blocked -
of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would
also
send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative
what
you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal).
There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could
have
in
mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate
from
the official line that chapters don't represent language communities, though. That is, unless this official line has changed.
Warmly, Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi Lodewijk, hi JP,
Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia
Conference
would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be.
For
the
Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited
to
the
conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been.
To be more representative on a global scale and to have more
different
people from different regions present at the conference, we needed
clear,
transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no
solution
that
covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this
approach
– with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference
Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming
year,
this
approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept
of
the
Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway.
Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized
in
the
past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least
two
representatives.
I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy
to
receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and
transparent
criteria.
Best regards,
Cornelius
On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland <
jpbeland@wikimedia.ca>
wrote:
I share the questions of Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> Of course, I meant: > > "The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and
will
end
> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018." > > Thank you > Cornelius > > -- > > Cornelius Kibelka > > Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) > for the Wikimedia Conference > > > > Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < > cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>: > >> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates, >> >> A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference
will
> take >> place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in
Berlin-Neukölln
>> (same location as in 2017). This email contains information about
the
>> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited
affiliates
>> including the relevant reporting deadlines. >> >> == Program Themes == >> >> As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia
Conference
>> 2018 will again focus on three core themes. >> >> - >> >> Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the Wikimedia Movement >> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer
the
> question >> "How do we implement the strategic direction", which means > identifying the >> roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities it > involves. >> In order to ensure participation from the organized part of the > movement in >> this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on
movement
> strategy. >> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation.
>> - >> >> Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia organizations
and
>> groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in
working
> with >> partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at
the
last >> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia
conferences,
> we aim >> to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience
sharing
and >> learning around partnerships within and outside the Wikimedia > movement. >> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
Foundation’s
> Global >> Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development
team
and > the >> volunteer “Partnerships group”. >> - >> >> Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference
currently
is
>> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among Wikimedia > affiliates. >> Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed according > to >> the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track
will
be
>> designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning & Evaluation team, > and >> will complement the pre-conference Learning Days. >> >> >> == Eligibility Criteria == >> >> The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia
Conference
>> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia >> Foundation. >> >> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown
signs
of >> recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on
their
>> reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017).
Moreover,
>> affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the
Wikimedia
>> Foundation before April 19, 2017. >> >> == Participant number regulation == >> >> - >> >> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send two >> delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ at
least
> 0.5 >> FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is a
paid
> staff >> member. >> - >> >> Allied organizations may send two delegates. >> - >> >> The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of
active
>> editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any
affiliate,
> or >> have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was
recognized
> after >> April 19, 2017, may send one delegate. >> - >> >> As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an >> (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese,
Vietnamese,
> Tamil, >> Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia
Commons
and
>> Wikivoyage communities. >> - >> >> The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for the Bengali >> community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindi > community), Wikimedia >> Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community), as
well
as >> the Commons Photographers User Group (for the Wikimedia
Commons
>> community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the
Wikivoyage
>> communities) may send one delegate. For the language
communities
> (Japanese, >> Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding and
making
> process >> on who will be the one person sent to the conference, need
to
be
> made in >> the public (on-wiki). >> >> >> == Registration timeline == >> >> The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and will
end
>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be
provided
> on >> Meta.[1] >> >> If you have any questions regarding the registration process or
the
>> Wikimedia Conference, please > <https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=
gmail&source=g
do
> not hesitate to send us an e-mail to >> wmcon@wikimedia.de. >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka >> >> Wikimedia Conference team >> >> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018 >> >> >> -- >> Cornelius Kibelka >> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) >> for the Wikimedia Conference >> >> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963
Berlin
>> Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 >> http://wikimedia.de >> >> Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der Menge
allen
>> Wissens frei teilhaben kann. Helfen Sie uns dabei! >> http://spenden.wikimedia.de/ >> >> Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens
e.
V.
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Berlin-Charlottenburg
> unter >> der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das
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So will there be a broader discussion about the future of the Wikimedia Conference that's open to people who are not attending?
I could certainly see a group of people in a conference hotel for a weekend deciding that they are a vital forum for important decisions about the future of the movement, but that wouldn't mean that it's a good idea to take that at face value without input from the 10,000 or so people who weren't invited to the conference. :)
Chris
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Cornelius Kibelka cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hi Lodewijk,
One of the goals for the 2018 conference will be to come to an agreement upon the ultimate goal, structure and set-up for the Wikimedia Conference in the longer future. The outcomes of these conversations will also depend on the agreements we achieve during phase 2 of the strategy process, for example in terms of roles and responsibilities of movement organizations. By slightly adjusting the 2018 participation criteria (we're talking about 10 people), we do not mean to change the overall nature of the conference for the future. It's just a quick fix for the symptoms, not a solution to the overall.
Best regards Cornelius
On 24 October 2017 at 18:29, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
While it is true that there are now for *some* languages also organizations that have it as their specific goal to support those (Amical has been doing that for Catalan for a long time, though), this is not the case for most major languages. In the whole field of affiliates, including user groups, most are tied to a geography, rather than other factors.
Even in an outreach, engagement, communication perspective, we have always held off on calling the affiliates 'representative'. In this context it would even go a step further: it would make them *politically* representative. This could be particularly painful when an editing community does not feel represented (for example, because the user group that has their language as focus, if any, is the subset of users that likes to focus on a subset of topics that is not the focus of most of the community.
While lines between focus areas blur, and our movement diversifies, this does not necessarily mean the roles changed that much.
If your goal really is to make it representative, then you either have to make affiliates more representative, or you have to invite other people.
I'm looking forward to Cornelius' response on what the underlying goal is for this change, because I suspect his proposed change of wording is not cutting it yet.
Lodewijk
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is not representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and advantages, the affiliate model has become very different.
Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages and topics to varying degrees.
In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local language representatives. There is a difference though between representative in
an
outreach, engagement or communication role with that of legal representative.
The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as affiliates gain in their experience. Maybe the conference should reflect the new roles
and
responsibilities being carved out by the evolving affiliate model.
Seddon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name wrote:
Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its purpose has always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not as representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a specific language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia.
Michael
On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com
wrote:
I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local
chapters
have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or
user
groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their representatives if they must be represented.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote:
That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as
always
:)
As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and
organized
groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole
movement.
In
2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the
same
location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was
quite
a
unique situation because of the strategic process.
The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a
goal.
If
being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the
structure
probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation
for
all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from the Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would
be
to
fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This
could
be
input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures
where
we
even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would
not
imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider
other
areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or
project
communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of
developing
language communities in Africa or communities that are
government-blocked -
of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would
also
send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative
what
you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal).
There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could
have
in
mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate
from
the official line that chapters don't represent language communities, though. That is, unless this official line has changed.
Warmly, Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi Lodewijk, hi JP,
Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia
Conference
would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be.
For
the
Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited
to
the
conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been.
To be more representative on a global scale and to have more
different
people from different regions present at the conference, we needed
clear,
transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no
solution
that
covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this
approach
– with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference
Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming
year,
this
approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept
of
the
Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway.
Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized
in
the
past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least
two
representatives.
I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy
to
receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and
transparent
criteria.
Best regards,
Cornelius
On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland <
jpbeland@wikimedia.ca>
wrote:
> I share the questions of Lodewijk > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < > cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote: > >> Of course, I meant: >> >> "The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and
will
end >> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018." >> >> Thank you >> Cornelius >> >> -- >> >> Cornelius Kibelka >> >> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) >> for the Wikimedia Conference >> >> >> >> Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < >> cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>: >> >>> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates, >>> >>> A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference
will
>> take >>> place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in Berlin-Neukölln >>> (same location as in 2017). This email contains information about
the
>>> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited
affiliates
>>> including the relevant reporting deadlines. >>> >>> == Program Themes == >>> >>> As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia Conference >>> 2018 will again focus on three core themes. >>> >>> - >>> >>> Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the Wikimedia > Movement >>> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer
the
>> question >>> "How do we implement the strategic direction", which means >> identifying the >>> roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities it >> involves. >>> In order to ensure participation from the organized part of the >> movement in >>> this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on
movement
>> strategy. >>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia Foundation. >>> - >>> >>> Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia organizations and >>> groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in
working
>> with >>> partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at
the
> last >>> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia conferences, >> we aim >>> to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience
sharing
> and >>> learning around partnerships within and outside the Wikimedia >> movement. >>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia Foundation’s >> Global >>> Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development
team
> and >> the >>> volunteer “Partnerships group”. >>> - >>> >>> Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference
currently
is >>> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among Wikimedia >> affiliates. >>> Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed > according >> to >>> the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track
will
be >>> designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning & Evaluation > team, >> and >>> will complement the pre-conference Learning Days. >>> >>> >>> == Eligibility Criteria == >>> >>> The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia Conference >>> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia >>> Foundation. >>> >>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown signs > of >>> recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on their >>> reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017).
Moreover,
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Wikimedia
>>> Foundation before April 19, 2017. >>> >>> == Participant number regulation == >>> >>> - >>> >>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send two >>> delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ at least >> 0.5 >>> FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is a
paid
>> staff >>> member. >>> - >>> >>> Allied organizations may send two delegates. >>> - >>> >>> The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of
active
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recognized
>> after >>> April 19, 2017, may send one delegate. >>> - >>> >>> As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an >>> (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese, Vietnamese, >> Tamil, >>> Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia
Commons
and >>> Wikivoyage communities. >>> - >>> >>> The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for the > Bengali >>> community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindi >> community), Wikimedia >>> Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community), as well > as >>> the Commons Photographers User Group (for the Wikimedia
Commons
>>> community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the
Wikivoyage
>>> communities) may send one delegate. For the language communities >> (Japanese, >>> Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding and making >> process >>> on who will be the one person sent to the conference, need
to
be >> made in >>> the public (on-wiki). >>> >>> >>> == Registration timeline == >>> >>> The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and will
end
>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be provided >> on >>> Meta.[1] >>> >>> If you have any questions regarding the registration process or
the
>>> Wikimedia Conference, please >> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=
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Hoi, When you do research, you know that there is a deminishing return on adding more people that are asked the same question. It may seem to be empowering but realistically the initial group comes up with the answers you are seeking.
So what do you think all these others have to add to what a carefull selected group of people have to offer? Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2017 at 12:52, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
So will there be a broader discussion about the future of the Wikimedia Conference that's open to people who are not attending?
I could certainly see a group of people in a conference hotel for a weekend deciding that they are a vital forum for important decisions about the future of the movement, but that wouldn't mean that it's a good idea to take that at face value without input from the 10,000 or so people who weren't invited to the conference. :)
Chris
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Cornelius Kibelka cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hi Lodewijk,
One of the goals for the 2018 conference will be to come to an agreement upon the ultimate goal, structure and set-up for the Wikimedia Conference in the longer future. The outcomes of these conversations will also
depend
on the agreements we achieve during phase 2 of the strategy process, for example in terms of roles and responsibilities of movement organizations. By slightly adjusting the 2018 participation criteria (we're talking
about
10 people), we do not mean to change the overall nature of the conference for the future. It's just a quick fix for the symptoms, not a solution to the overall.
Best regards Cornelius
On 24 October 2017 at 18:29, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote:
While it is true that there are now for *some* languages also
organizations
that have it as their specific goal to support those (Amical has been
doing
that for Catalan for a long time, though), this is not the case for most major languages. In the whole field of affiliates, including user
groups,
most are tied to a geography, rather than other factors.
Even in an outreach, engagement, communication perspective, we have
always
held off on calling the affiliates 'representative'. In this context it would even go a step further: it would make them *politically* representative. This could be particularly painful when an editing community does not feel represented (for example, because the user group that has their language as focus, if any, is the subset of users that
likes
to focus on a subset of topics that is not the focus of most of the community.
While lines between focus areas blur, and our movement diversifies, this does not necessarily mean the roles changed that much.
If your goal really is to make it representative, then you either have
to
make affiliates more representative, or you have to invite other people.
I'm looking forward to Cornelius' response on what the underlying goal
is
for this change, because I suspect his proposed change of wording is not cutting it yet.
Lodewijk
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is not representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and
advantages,
the affiliate model has become very different.
Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages and topics to varying degrees.
In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local language representatives. There is a difference though between representative
in
an
outreach, engagement or communication role with that of legal representative.
The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as affiliates
gain
in their experience. Maybe the conference should reflect the new roles
and
responsibilities being carved out by the evolving affiliate model.
Seddon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name wrote:
Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its purpose
has
always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not
as
representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a specific language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia.
Michael
On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde <
reachout2isaac@gmail.com>
wrote:
I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local
chapters
have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we
want
language communities to be under the control of local chapters or
user
groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their representatives if they must be represented.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote:
That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as
always
:)
As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and
organized
groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole
movement.
In
2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in
the
same
location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was
quite
a
unique situation because of the strategic process.
The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a
goal.
If
being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the
structure
probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default
invitation
for
all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from
the
Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which
would
be
to
fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This
could
be
input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures
where
we
even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it
would
not
imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider
other
areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements
or
project
communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of
developing
language communities in Africa or communities that are
government-blocked -
of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This
would
also
send the message to the communities you ask to send a
representative
what
you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your
goal).
There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could
have
in
mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to
deviate
from
the official line that chapters don't represent language
communities,
though. That is, unless this official line has changed.
Warmly, Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> Hi Lodewijk, hi JP, > > Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia Conference > would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should
be.
For
the > Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were
invited
to
the
> conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the > selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have
been.
> > To be more representative on a global scale and to have more
different
> people from different regions present at the conference, we
needed
clear,
> transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no
solution
that
> covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this
approach
> – with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia
Conference
> Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming
year,
this
> approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole
concept
of
the > Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway. > > Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was
criticized
in
the
> past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least
two
> representatives. > > I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m
happy
to
> receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and
transparent
> criteria. > > Best regards, > > Cornelius > > > On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland <
jpbeland@wikimedia.ca>
> wrote: > >> I share the questions of Lodewijk >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < >> cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote: >> >>> Of course, I meant: >>> >>> "The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and
will
> end >>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018." >>> >>> Thank you >>> Cornelius >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Cornelius Kibelka >>> >>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) >>> for the Wikimedia Conference >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < >>> cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>: >>> >>>> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia
affiliates,
>>>> >>>> A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia
Conference
will >>> take >>>> place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in > Berlin-Neukölln >>>> (same location as in 2017). This email contains information
about
the >>>> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited
affiliates
>>>> including the relevant reporting deadlines. >>>> >>>> == Program Themes == >>>> >>>> As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia > Conference >>>> 2018 will again focus on three core themes. >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>>> Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the
Wikimedia
>> Movement >>>> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer
the
>>> question >>>> "How do we implement the strategic direction", which means >>> identifying the >>>> roles and resources needed for execution, and the
activities it
>>> involves. >>>> In order to ensure participation from the organized part of
the
>>> movement in >>>> this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on
movement
>>> strategy. >>>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia > Foundation. >>>> - >>>> >>>> Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia
organizations
> and >>>> groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in working >>> with >>>> partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation
at
the
>> last >>>> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia > conferences, >>> we aim >>>> to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience sharing >> and >>>> learning around partnerships within and outside the
Wikimedia
>>> movement. >>>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia > Foundation’s >>> Global >>>> Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development
team
>> and >>> the >>>> volunteer “Partnerships group”. >>>> - >>>> >>>> Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference
currently
> is >>>> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among
Wikimedia
>>> affiliates. >>>> Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed >> according >>> to >>>> the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track
will
> be >>>> designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning &
Evaluation
>> team, >>> and >>>> will complement the pre-conference Learning Days. >>>> >>>> >>>> == Eligibility Criteria == >>>> >>>> The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia > Conference >>>> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the
Wikimedia
>>>> Foundation. >>>> >>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have
shown
> signs >> of >>>> recent activity (within the last six months) and be
up-to-date on
> their >>>> reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017).
Moreover,
>>>> affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the
Wikimedia
>>>> Foundation before April 19, 2017. >>>> >>>> == Participant number regulation == >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send
two
>>>> delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ
at
> least >>> 0.5 >>>> FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is
a
paid >>> staff >>>> member. >>>> - >>>> >>>> Allied organizations may send two delegates. >>>> - >>>> >>>> The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of active >>>> editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any > affiliate, >>> or >>>> have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was recognized >>> after >>>> April 19, 2017, may send one delegate. >>>> - >>>> >>>> As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an >>>> (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese, > Vietnamese, >>> Tamil, >>>> Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia
Commons
> and >>>> Wikivoyage communities. >>>> - >>>> >>>> The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for
the
>> Bengali >>>> community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindi >>> community), Wikimedia >>>> Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community),
as
> well >> as >>>> the Commons Photographers User Group (for the Wikimedia Commons >>>> community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the
Wikivoyage
>>>> communities) may send one delegate. For the language > communities >>> (Japanese, >>>> Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding
and
> making >>> process >>>> on who will be the one person sent to the conference,
need
to
> be >>> made in >>>> the public (on-wiki). >>>> >>>> >>>> == Registration timeline == >>>> >>>> The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and
will
end >>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be > provided >>> on >>>> Meta.[1] >>>> >>>> If you have any questions regarding the registration process
or
the
>>>> Wikimedia Conference, please >>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=
gmail&source=g
> do >>> not hesitate to send us an e-mail to >>>> wmcon@wikimedia.de. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> >>>> Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka >>>> >>>> Wikimedia Conference team >>>> >>>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cornelius Kibelka >>>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) >>>> for the Wikimedia Conference >>>> >>>> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963
Berlin
>>>> Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 >>>> http://wikimedia.de >>>> >>>> Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der
Menge
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Theres never the perfect solution, even with carefully selected groups you will never know what else could have been brought to the table, it doesnt matter where that line is whether its 2, 200, or 2000 whoever, however, what ever the criteria that the carefully selected group is comprised of the selection process alone introduces some bias, creates a division and implies someones opinion isnt worth considering.
Starting some where is the important aspect, doing so in a manageable way with the available resources is the only prudent way forward
On 25 October 2017 at 19:19, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, When you do research, you know that there is a deminishing return on adding more people that are asked the same question. It may seem to be empowering but realistically the initial group comes up with the answers you are seeking.
So what do you think all these others have to add to what a carefull selected group of people have to offer? Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2017 at 12:52, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
So will there be a broader discussion about the future of the Wikimedia Conference that's open to people who are not attending?
I could certainly see a group of people in a conference hotel for a weekend deciding that they are a vital forum for important decisions about the future of the movement, but that wouldn't mean that it's a good idea to take that at face value without input from the 10,000 or so people who weren't invited to the conference. :)
Chris
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Cornelius Kibelka cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hi Lodewijk,
One of the goals for the 2018 conference will be to come to an
agreement
upon the ultimate goal, structure and set-up for the Wikimedia
Conference
in the longer future. The outcomes of these conversations will also
depend
on the agreements we achieve during phase 2 of the strategy process,
for
example in terms of roles and responsibilities of movement
organizations.
By slightly adjusting the 2018 participation criteria (we're talking
about
10 people), we do not mean to change the overall nature of the
conference
for the future. It's just a quick fix for the symptoms, not a solution
to
the overall.
Best regards Cornelius
On 24 October 2017 at 18:29, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote:
While it is true that there are now for *some* languages also
organizations
that have it as their specific goal to support those (Amical has been
doing
that for Catalan for a long time, though), this is not the case for
most
major languages. In the whole field of affiliates, including user
groups,
most are tied to a geography, rather than other factors.
Even in an outreach, engagement, communication perspective, we have
always
held off on calling the affiliates 'representative'. In this context
it
would even go a step further: it would make them *politically* representative. This could be particularly painful when an editing community does not feel represented (for example, because the user
group
that has their language as focus, if any, is the subset of users that
likes
to focus on a subset of topics that is not the focus of most of the community.
While lines between focus areas blur, and our movement diversifies,
this
does not necessarily mean the roles changed that much.
If your goal really is to make it representative, then you either have
to
make affiliates more representative, or you have to invite other
people.
I'm looking forward to Cornelius' response on what the underlying goal
is
for this change, because I suspect his proposed change of wording is
not
cutting it yet.
Lodewijk
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Joseph Seddon <jseddon@wikimedia.org
wrote:
The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is not representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and
advantages,
the affiliate model has become very different.
Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages
and
topics to varying degrees.
In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local language representatives. There is a difference though between representative
in
an
outreach, engagement or communication role with that of legal representative.
The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as affiliates
gain
in their experience. Maybe the conference should reflect the new
roles
and
responsibilities being carved out by the evolving affiliate model.
Seddon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs <michael@maggs.name
wrote:
Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its
purpose
has
always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not
as
representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a
specific
language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia.
Michael
> On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde <
reachout2isaac@gmail.com>
wrote: > > I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local
chapters
> have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we
want
> language communities to be under the control of local chapters
or
user
> groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their > representatives if they must be represented. > > Regards, > > Isaac. > > On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" <
lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>
wrote:
> > That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself,
as
always
:) > > As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured
and
organized > groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole
movement.
In > 2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in
the
same
> location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was
quite
a
> unique situation because of the strategic process. > > The first question would be whether you accept each challenge
as a
goal.
If > being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the structure > probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default
invitation
for
> all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from
the
> Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example). > > On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which
would
be
to > fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This
could
be
> input from certain language communities, or from certain
cultures
where
we > even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it
would
not
> imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a
similar
> consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also
consider
other
> areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements
or
project > communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of
developing
> language communities in Africa or communities that are government-blocked - > of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This
would
also > send the message to the communities you ask to send a
representative
what
> you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your
goal).
> > There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural)
could
have
in > mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to
deviate
from > the official line that chapters don't represent language
communities,
> though. That is, unless this official line has changed. > > Warmly, > Lodewijk > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < > cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote: > >> Hi Lodewijk, hi JP, >> >> Over the last years, we received the feedback that the
Wikimedia
> Conference >> would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should
be.
For
> the >> Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were
invited
to
the >> conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but
the
>> selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have
been.
>> >> To be more representative on a global scale and to have more
different
>> people from different regions present at the conference, we
needed
clear, >> transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no
solution
that >> covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give
this
approach >> – with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia
Conference
>> Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming
year,
this >> approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole
concept
of
> the >> Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway. >> >> Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was
criticized
in
the >> past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at
least
two
>> representatives. >> >> I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m
happy
to
>> receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and
transparent
>> criteria. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Cornelius >> >> >> On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland < jpbeland@wikimedia.ca> >> wrote: >> >>> I share the questions of Lodewijk >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < >>> cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote: >>> >>>> Of course, I meant: >>>> >>>> "The registration process will start on November 24, *2017*
and
will
>> end >>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018." >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Cornelius >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Cornelius Kibelka >>>> >>>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) >>>> for the Wikimedia Conference >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < >>>> cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>: >>>> >>>>> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia
affiliates,
>>>>> >>>>> A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia
Conference
> will >>>> take >>>>> place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in >> Berlin-Neukölln >>>>> (same location as in 2017). This email contains information
about
> the >>>>> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited
affiliates
>>>>> including the relevant reporting deadlines. >>>>> >>>>> == Program Themes == >>>>> >>>>> As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia >> Conference >>>>> 2018 will again focus on three core themes. >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the
Wikimedia
>>> Movement >>>>> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to
answer
the
>>>> question >>>>> "How do we implement the strategic direction", which means >>>> identifying the >>>>> roles and resources needed for execution, and the
activities it
>>>> involves. >>>>> In order to ensure participation from the organized part
of
the
>>>> movement in >>>>> this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on
movement
>>>> strategy. >>>>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia >> Foundation. >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia
organizations
>> and >>>>> groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in > working >>>> with >>>>> partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation
at
the
>>> last >>>>> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia >> conferences, >>>> we aim >>>>> to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience > sharing >>> and >>>>> learning around partnerships within and outside the
Wikimedia
>>>> movement. >>>>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia >> Foundation’s >>>> Global >>>>> Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships &
Development
team
>>> and >>>> the >>>>> volunteer “Partnerships group”. >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference
currently
>> is >>>>> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among
Wikimedia
>>>> affiliates. >>>>> Again, we will host a track with sessions that are
designed
>>> according >>>> to >>>>> the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This
track
will
>> be >>>>> designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning &
Evaluation
>>> team, >>>> and >>>>> will complement the pre-conference Learning Days. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> == Eligibility Criteria == >>>>> >>>>> The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia >> Conference >>>>> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the
Wikimedia
>>>>> Foundation. >>>>> >>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have
shown
>> signs >>> of >>>>> recent activity (within the last six months) and be
up-to-date on
>> their >>>>> reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017).
Moreover,
>>>>> affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the
Wikimedia
>>>>> Foundation before April 19, 2017. >>>>> >>>>> == Participant number regulation == >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send
two
>>>>> delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which
employ
at
>> least >>>> 0.5 >>>>> FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who
is
a
> paid >>>> staff >>>>> member. >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> Allied organizations may send two delegates. >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers
of
> active >>>>> editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any >> affiliate, >>>> or >>>>> have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was > recognized >>>> after >>>>> April 19, 2017, may send one delegate. >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> As per September 2017, the biggest communities without
an
>>>>> (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese, >> Vietnamese, >>>> Tamil, >>>>> Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia
Commons
>> and >>>>> Wikivoyage communities. >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for
the
>>> Bengali >>>>> community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindi >>>> community), Wikimedia >>>>> Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay
community),
as
>> well >>> as >>>>> the Commons Photographers User Group (for the Wikimedia > Commons >>>>> community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the
Wikivoyage
>>>>> communities) may send one delegate. For the language >> communities >>>> (Japanese, >>>>> Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding
and
>> making >>>> process >>>>> on who will be the one person sent to the conference,
need
to
>> be >>>> made in >>>>> the public (on-wiki). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> == Registration timeline == >>>>> >>>>> The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and
will
> end >>>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will
be
>> provided >>>> on >>>>> Meta.[1] >>>>> >>>>> If you have any questions regarding the registration process
or
the
>>>>> Wikimedia Conference, please >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=
gmail&source=g
>> do >>>> not hesitate to send us an e-mail to >>>>> wmcon@wikimedia.de. >>>>> >>>>> Warm regards, >>>>> >>>>> Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka >>>>> >>>>> Wikimedia Conference team >>>>> >>>>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/
wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018
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Berlin
>>>>> Tel. (030) 219 158 26-0 >>>>> http://wikimedia.de >>>>> >>>>> Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der jeder Mensch an der
Menge
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Hoi, It is not that someone has nothing worthwhile to contribute, it is just that once you have interviewed a group that is of sufficient variety the likelyhood of hearing anything new will vanish. When too much information is gathered it becomes unwieldy as well and the discussion will peter out. Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2017 at 14:24, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
Theres never the perfect solution, even with carefully selected groups you will never know what else could have been brought to the table, it doesnt matter where that line is whether its 2, 200, or 2000 whoever, however, what ever the criteria that the carefully selected group is comprised of the selection process alone introduces some bias, creates a division and implies someones opinion isnt worth considering.
Starting some where is the important aspect, doing so in a manageable way with the available resources is the only prudent way forward
On 25 October 2017 at 19:19, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, When you do research, you know that there is a deminishing return on
adding
more people that are asked the same question. It may seem to be
empowering
but realistically the initial group comes up with the answers you are seeking.
So what do you think all these others have to add to what a carefull selected group of people have to offer? Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2017 at 12:52, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
So will there be a broader discussion about the future of the Wikimedia Conference that's open to people who are not attending?
I could certainly see a group of people in a conference hotel for a weekend deciding that they are a vital forum for important decisions about the future of the movement, but that wouldn't mean that it's a good idea to take that at face value without input from the 10,000 or so people who weren't invited to the conference. :)
Chris
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Cornelius Kibelka cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hi Lodewijk,
One of the goals for the 2018 conference will be to come to an
agreement
upon the ultimate goal, structure and set-up for the Wikimedia
Conference
in the longer future. The outcomes of these conversations will also
depend
on the agreements we achieve during phase 2 of the strategy process,
for
example in terms of roles and responsibilities of movement
organizations.
By slightly adjusting the 2018 participation criteria (we're talking
about
10 people), we do not mean to change the overall nature of the
conference
for the future. It's just a quick fix for the symptoms, not a
solution
to
the overall.
Best regards Cornelius
On 24 October 2017 at 18:29, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote:
While it is true that there are now for *some* languages also
organizations
that have it as their specific goal to support those (Amical has
been
doing
that for Catalan for a long time, though), this is not the case for
most
major languages. In the whole field of affiliates, including user
groups,
most are tied to a geography, rather than other factors.
Even in an outreach, engagement, communication perspective, we have
always
held off on calling the affiliates 'representative'. In this context
it
would even go a step further: it would make them *politically* representative. This could be particularly painful when an editing community does not feel represented (for example, because the user
group
that has their language as focus, if any, is the subset of users
that
likes
to focus on a subset of topics that is not the focus of most of the community.
While lines between focus areas blur, and our movement diversifies,
this
does not necessarily mean the roles changed that much.
If your goal really is to make it representative, then you either
have
to
make affiliates more representative, or you have to invite other
people.
I'm looking forward to Cornelius' response on what the underlying
goal
is
for this change, because I suspect his proposed change of wording is
not
cutting it yet.
Lodewijk
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Joseph Seddon <
jseddon@wikimedia.org
wrote:
The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is
not
representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and
advantages,
the affiliate model has become very different.
Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages
and
topics to varying degrees.
In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local
language
representatives. There is a difference though between
representative
in
an
outreach, engagement or communication role with that of legal representative.
The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as
affiliates
gain
in their experience. Maybe the conference should reflect the new
roles
and
responsibilities being carved out by the evolving affiliate model.
Seddon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs <
michael@maggs.name
wrote:
> Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its
purpose
has
> always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement > *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and
not
as
> representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a
specific
> language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia. > > Michael > > > On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde <
reachout2isaac@gmail.com>
> wrote: > > > > I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that
local
chapters > > have no control/authority over any language community. Unless
we
want
> > language communities to be under the control of local chapters
or
user
> > groups, language communities should be allowed to choose
their
> > representatives if they must be represented. > > > > Regards, > > > > Isaac. > > > > On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" <
lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>
wrote: > > > > That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself,
as
always > :) > > > > As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured
and
> organized > > groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole movement. > In > > 2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place
in
the
same > > location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this
was
quite
a > > unique situation because of the strategic process. > > > > The first question would be whether you accept each challenge
as a
goal. > If > > being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal,
the
> structure > > probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default
invitation
for > > all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative
from
the
> > Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example). > > > > On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal,
which
would
be > to > > fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants.
This
could
be > > input from certain language communities, or from certain
cultures
where
> we > > even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it
would
not > > imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a
similar
> > consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also
consider
other > > areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied
movements
or
> project > > communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of
developing
> > language communities in Africa or communities that are > government-blocked - > > of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates).
This
would
> also > > send the message to the communities you ask to send a
representative
what > > you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your
goal).
> > > > There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural)
could
have
> in > > mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to
deviate
> from > > the official line that chapters don't represent language
communities,
> > though. That is, unless this official line has changed. > > > > Warmly, > > Lodewijk > > > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < > > cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote: > > > >> Hi Lodewijk, hi JP, > >> > >> Over the last years, we received the feedback that the
Wikimedia
> > Conference > >> would not be as (globally) representative as it could or
should
be.
For > > the > >> Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were
invited
to
> the > >> conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but
the
> >> selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could
have
been.
> >> > >> To be more representative on a global scale and to have more
different
> >> people from different regions present at the conference, we
needed
> clear, > >> transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no
solution
> that > >> covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give
this
> approach > >> – with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia
Conference
> 2018. > >> Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the
upcoming
year,
> this > >> approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole
concept
of > > the > >> Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway. > >> > >> Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was
criticized
in
> the > >> past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at
least
two
> >> representatives. > >> > >> I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m
happy
to
> >> receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and transparent > >> criteria. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Cornelius > >> > >> > >> On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland < > jpbeland@wikimedia.ca> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> I share the questions of Lodewijk > >>> > >>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < > >>> cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Of course, I meant: > >>>> > >>>> "The registration process will start on November 24, *2017*
and
will
> >> end > >>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018." > >>>> > >>>> Thank you > >>>> Cornelius > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> > >>>> Cornelius Kibelka > >>>> > >>>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) > >>>> for the Wikimedia Conference > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < > >>>> cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>: > >>>> > >>>>> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia
affiliates,
> >>>>> > >>>>> A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia
Conference
> > will > >>>> take > >>>>> place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in > >> Berlin-Neukölln > >>>>> (same location as in 2017). This email contains
information
about
> > the > >>>>> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited
affiliates
> >>>>> including the relevant reporting deadlines. > >>>>> > >>>>> == Program Themes == > >>>>> > >>>>> As in the previous editions of the conference, the
Wikimedia
> >> Conference > >>>>> 2018 will again focus on three core themes. > >>>>> > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the
Wikimedia
> >>> Movement > >>>>> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to
answer
the
> >>>> question > >>>>> "How do we implement the strategic direction", which
means
> >>>> identifying the > >>>>> roles and resources needed for execution, and the
activities it
> >>>> involves. > >>>>> In order to ensure participation from the organized part
of
the
> >>>> movement in > >>>>> this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on
movement
> >>>> strategy. > >>>>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia > >> Foundation. > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia
organizations
> >> and > >>>>> groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge
in
> > working > >>>> with > >>>>> partners to achieve our mission. Based on the
conversation
at
the
> >>> last > >>>>> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia > >> conferences, > >>>> we aim > >>>>> to continue to offer a space for conversations,
experience
> > sharing > >>> and > >>>>> learning around partnerships within and outside the
Wikimedia
> >>>> movement. > >>>>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia > >> Foundation’s > >>>> Global > >>>>> Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships &
Development
team
> >>> and > >>>> the > >>>>> volunteer “Partnerships group”. > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference
currently
> >> is > >>>>> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among
Wikimedia
> >>>> affiliates. > >>>>> Again, we will host a track with sessions that are
designed
> >>> according > >>>> to > >>>>> the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This
track
will
> >> be > >>>>> designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning &
Evaluation
> >>> team, > >>>> and > >>>>> will complement the pre-conference Learning Days. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> == Eligibility Criteria == > >>>>> > >>>>> The eligibility criteria for participating in the
Wikimedia
> >> Conference > >>>>> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the
Wikimedia
> >>>>> Foundation. > >>>>> > >>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have
shown
> >> signs > >>> of > >>>>> recent activity (within the last six months) and be
up-to-date on
> >> their > >>>>> reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017). Moreover, > >>>>> affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the
Wikimedia
> >>>>> Foundation before April 19, 2017. > >>>>> > >>>>> == Participant number regulation == > >>>>> > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may
send
two
> >>>>> delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which
employ
at
> >> least > >>>> 0.5 > >>>>> FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who
is
a
> > paid > >>>> staff > >>>>> member. > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> Allied organizations may send two delegates. > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers
of
> > active > >>>>> editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by
any
> >> affiliate, > >>>> or > >>>>> have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was > > recognized > >>>> after > >>>>> April 19, 2017, may send one delegate. > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> As per September 2017, the biggest communities
without
an
> >>>>> (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese, > >> Vietnamese, > >>>> Tamil, > >>>>> Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia
Commons
> >> and > >>>>> Wikivoyage communities. > >>>>> - > >>>>> > >>>>> The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group
(for
the
> >>> Bengali > >>>>> community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the
Hindi
> >>>> community), Wikimedia > >>>>> Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay
community),
as
> >> well > >>> as > >>>>> the Commons Photographers User Group (for the
Wikimedia
> > Commons > >>>>> community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the
Wikivoyage
> >>>>> communities) may send one delegate. For the language > >> communities > >>>> (Japanese, > >>>>> Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision
finding
and
> >> making > >>>> process > >>>>> on who will be the one person sent to the conference,
need
to
> >> be > >>>> made in > >>>>> the public (on-wiki). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> == Registration timeline == > >>>>> > >>>>> The registration process will start on November 24, 2018
and
will
> > end > >>>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link
will
be
> >> provided > >>>> on > >>>>> Meta.[1] > >>>>> > >>>>> If you have any questions regarding the registration
process
or
the
> >>>>> Wikimedia Conference, please > >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=
gmail&source=g
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Hi all,
aside from the conversation about project/language communities – thanks for the feedback! – I just wanted to share the Eligibility Criteria page for the conference that is available on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.o rg/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Eligibility_Criteria
I have received some off-list questions about specific details for specific affiliates. I think most of the questions are answered on this page. In case your question is not answered, feel free to write me an e-mail off-list.
Best regards, Cornelius
On 25 October 2017 at 15:00, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, It is not that someone has nothing worthwhile to contribute, it is just that once you have interviewed a group that is of sufficient variety the likelyhood of hearing anything new will vanish. When too much information is gathered it becomes unwieldy as well and the discussion will peter out. Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2017 at 14:24, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
Theres never the perfect solution, even with carefully selected groups
you
will never know what else could have been brought to the table, it doesnt matter where that line is whether its 2, 200, or 2000 whoever, however, what ever the criteria that the carefully selected group is comprised of the selection process alone introduces some bias, creates a division and implies someones opinion isnt worth considering.
Starting some where is the important aspect, doing so in a manageable way with the available resources is the only prudent way forward
On 25 October 2017 at 19:19, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, When you do research, you know that there is a deminishing return on
adding
more people that are asked the same question. It may seem to be
empowering
but realistically the initial group comes up with the answers you are seeking.
So what do you think all these others have to add to what a carefull selected group of people have to offer? Thanks, GerardM
On 25 October 2017 at 12:52, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com
wrote:
So will there be a broader discussion about the future of the Wikimedia Conference that's open to people who are not attending?
I could certainly see a group of people in a conference hotel for a weekend deciding that they are a vital forum for important decisions about the future of the movement, but that wouldn't mean that it's a good idea to take that at face value without input from the 10,000 or so people who weren't invited to the conference. :)
Chris
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Cornelius Kibelka cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hi Lodewijk,
One of the goals for the 2018 conference will be to come to an
agreement
upon the ultimate goal, structure and set-up for the Wikimedia
Conference
in the longer future. The outcomes of these conversations will also
depend
on the agreements we achieve during phase 2 of the strategy
process,
for
example in terms of roles and responsibilities of movement
organizations.
By slightly adjusting the 2018 participation criteria (we're
talking
about
10 people), we do not mean to change the overall nature of the
conference
for the future. It's just a quick fix for the symptoms, not a
solution
to
the overall.
Best regards Cornelius
On 24 October 2017 at 18:29, Lodewijk <lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote:
While it is true that there are now for *some* languages also
organizations
that have it as their specific goal to support those (Amical has
been
doing
that for Catalan for a long time, though), this is not the case
for
most
major languages. In the whole field of affiliates, including user
groups,
most are tied to a geography, rather than other factors.
Even in an outreach, engagement, communication perspective, we
have
always
held off on calling the affiliates 'representative'. In this
context
it
would even go a step further: it would make them *politically* representative. This could be particularly painful when an editing community does not feel represented (for example, because the user
group
that has their language as focus, if any, is the subset of users
that
likes
to focus on a subset of topics that is not the focus of most of
the
community.
While lines between focus areas blur, and our movement
diversifies,
this
does not necessarily mean the roles changed that much.
If your goal really is to make it representative, then you either
have
to
make affiliates more representative, or you have to invite other
people.
I'm looking forward to Cornelius' response on what the underlying
goal
is
for this change, because I suspect his proposed change of wording
is
not
cutting it yet.
Lodewijk
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Joseph Seddon <
jseddon@wikimedia.org
wrote:
> The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is
not
> representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and
advantages,
> the affiliate model has become very different. > > Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects,
languages
and
> topics to varying degrees. > > In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local
language
> representatives. There is a difference though between
representative
in
an > outreach, engagement or communication role with that of legal > representative. > > The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as
affiliates
gain
> in their experience. Maybe the conference should reflect the new
roles
and > responsibilities being carved out by the evolving affiliate
model.
> > Seddon > > > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs <
michael@maggs.name
> wrote: > > > Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its
purpose
has
> > always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement > > *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and
not
as
> > representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a
specific
> > language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia. > > > > Michael > > > > > On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde <
reachout2isaac@gmail.com>
> > wrote: > > > > > > I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that
local
> chapters > > > have no control/authority over any language community.
Unless
we
want
> > > language communities to be under the control of local
chapters
or
user > > > groups, language communities should be allowed to choose
their
> > > representatives if they must be represented. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Isaac. > > > > > > On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" <
lodewijk@effeietsanders.org>
> wrote: > > > > > > That all depends on the goals that the conference sets
itself,
as
> always > > :) > > > > > > As I understood it, the conference is intended for
structured
and
> > organized > > > groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the
whole
> movement. > > In > > > 2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking
place
in
the
> same > > > location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this
was
quite > a > > > unique situation because of the strategic process. > > > > > > The first question would be whether you accept each
challenge
as a
> goal. > > If > > > being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal,
the
> > structure > > > probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default
invitation
> for > > > all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative
from
the
> > > Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example). > > > > > > On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal,
which
would
> be > > to > > > fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants.
This
could > be > > > input from certain language communities, or from certain
cultures
where > > we > > > even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as
it
would
> not > > > imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a
similar
> > > consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also
consider
> other > > > areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied
movements
or
> > project > > > communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of developing > > > language communities in Africa or communities that are > > government-blocked - > > > of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates).
This
would
> > also > > > send the message to the communities you ask to send a
representative
> what > > > you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your
goal).
> > > > > > There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural)
could
have > > in > > > mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not
to
deviate
> > from > > > the official line that chapters don't represent language
communities,
> > > though. That is, unless this official line has changed. > > > > > > Warmly, > > > Lodewijk > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < > > > cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote: > > > > > >> Hi Lodewijk, hi JP, > > >> > > >> Over the last years, we received the feedback that the
Wikimedia
> > > Conference > > >> would not be as (globally) representative as it could or
should
be.
> For > > > the > > >> Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were
invited
to > > the > > >> conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process,
but
the
> > >> selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could
have
been.
> > >> > > >> To be more representative on a global scale and to have
more
different > > >> people from different regions present at the conference, we
needed
> > clear, > > >> transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is
no
solution > > that > > >> covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to
give
this
> > approach > > >> – with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia
Conference
> > 2018. > > >> Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the
upcoming
year, > > this > > >> approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the
whole
concept
> of > > > the > > >> Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway. > > >> > > >> Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was
criticized
in > > the > > >> past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at
least
two > > >> representatives. > > >> > > >> I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though.
I’m
happy
to > > >> receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear
and
> transparent > > >> criteria. > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> > > >> Cornelius > > >> > > >> > > >> On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland < > > jpbeland@wikimedia.ca> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> I share the questions of Lodewijk > > >>> > > >>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < > > >>> cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Of course, I meant: > > >>>> > > >>>> "The registration process will start on November 24,
*2017*
and
will > > >> end > > >>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018." > > >>>> > > >>>> Thank you > > >>>> Cornelius > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> > > >>>> Cornelius Kibelka > > >>>> > > >>>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) > > >>>> for the Wikimedia Conference > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < > > >>>> cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia
affiliates,
> > >>>>> > > >>>>> A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia
Conference
> > > will > > >>>> take > > >>>>> place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in > > >> Berlin-Neukölln > > >>>>> (same location as in 2017). This email contains
information
about
> > > the > > >>>>> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited affiliates > > >>>>> including the relevant reporting deadlines. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> == Program Themes == > > >>>>> > > >>>>> As in the previous editions of the conference, the
Wikimedia
> > >> Conference > > >>>>> 2018 will again focus on three core themes. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the
Wikimedia
> > >>> Movement > > >>>>> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to
answer
the > > >>>> question > > >>>>> "How do we implement the strategic direction", which
means
> > >>>> identifying the > > >>>>> roles and resources needed for execution, and the
activities it
> > >>>> involves. > > >>>>> In order to ensure participation from the organized
part
of
the
> > >>>> movement in > > >>>>> this next phase, we will again host a three-day track
on
movement > > >>>> strategy. > > >>>>> This track will be designed together with the
Wikimedia
> > >> Foundation. > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia
organizations
> > >> and > > >>>>> groups have a wide variety of experiences and
knowledge
in
> > > working > > >>>> with > > >>>>> partners to achieve our mission. Based on the
conversation
at
the > > >>> last > > >>>>> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional
Wikimedia
> > >> conferences, > > >>>> we aim > > >>>>> to continue to offer a space for conversations,
experience
> > > sharing > > >>> and > > >>>>> learning around partnerships within and outside the
Wikimedia
> > >>>> movement. > > >>>>> This track will be designed together with the
Wikimedia
> > >> Foundation’s > > >>>> Global > > >>>>> Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships &
Development
team > > >>> and > > >>>> the > > >>>>> volunteer “Partnerships group”. > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference currently > > >> is > > >>>>> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among
Wikimedia
> > >>>> affiliates. > > >>>>> Again, we will host a track with sessions that are
designed
> > >>> according > > >>>> to > > >>>>> the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This
track
will > > >> be > > >>>>> designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning &
Evaluation
> > >>> team, > > >>>> and > > >>>>> will complement the pre-conference Learning Days. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> == Eligibility Criteria == > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The eligibility criteria for participating in the
Wikimedia
> > >> Conference > > >>>>> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the
Wikimedia
> > >>>>> Foundation. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must
have
shown
> > >> signs > > >>> of > > >>>>> recent activity (within the last six months) and be
up-to-date on
> > >> their > > >>>>> reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15,
2017).
> Moreover, > > >>>>> affiliates need to have been officially recognized by
the
Wikimedia > > >>>>> Foundation before April 19, 2017. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> == Participant number regulation == > > >>>>> > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may
send
two
> > >>>>> delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which
employ
at
> > >> least > > >>>> 0.5 > > >>>>> FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate
who
is
a
> > > paid > > >>>> staff > > >>>>> member. > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Allied organizations may send two delegates. > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The biggest ten language/project communities (by
numbers
of
> > > active > > >>>>> editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by
any
> > >> affiliate, > > >>>> or > > >>>>> have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it
was
> > > recognized > > >>>> after > > >>>>> April 19, 2017, may send one delegate. > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> As per September 2017, the biggest communities
without
an
> > >>>>> (eligible) affiliate representation are the
Japanese,
> > >> Vietnamese, > > >>>> Tamil, > > >>>>> Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay,
Wikimedia
Commons > > >> and > > >>>>> Wikivoyage communities. > > >>>>> - > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group
(for
the
> > >>> Bengali > > >>>>> community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the
Hindi
> > >>>> community), Wikimedia > > >>>>> Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay
community),
as
> > >> well > > >>> as > > >>>>> the Commons Photographers User Group (for the
Wikimedia
> > > Commons > > >>>>> community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the Wikivoyage > > >>>>> communities) may send one delegate. For the
language
> > >> communities > > >>>> (Japanese, > > >>>>> Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision
finding
and
> > >> making > > >>>> process > > >>>>> on who will be the one person sent to the
conference,
need
to > > >> be > > >>>> made in > > >>>>> the public (on-wiki). > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> == Registration timeline == > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The registration process will start on November 24, 2018
and
will
> > > end > > >>>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link
will
be
> > >> provided > > >>>> on > > >>>>> Meta.[1] > > >>>>> > > >>>>> If you have any questions regarding the registration
process
or
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Unbroken link for those on mobile devices who may have a harder time fixing it: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2 018/Eligibility_Criteria
A.
On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 1:50 AM Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi all,
aside from the conversation about project/language communities – thanks for the feedback! – I just wanted to share the Eligibility Criteria page for the conference that is available on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.o rg/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Eligibility_Criteria
I have received some off-list questions about specific details for specific affiliates. I think most of the questions are answered on this page. In case your question is not answered, feel free to write me an e-mail off-list.
Best regards, Cornelius
funny enough, Asaf's version arrived broken here too, albeit in a different place:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/ Eligibility_Criteria
Hope more luck this time!
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Unbroken link for those on mobile devices who may have a harder time fixing it: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2 018/Eligibility_Criteria
A.
On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 1:50 AM Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi all,
aside from the conversation about project/language communities – thanks
for
the feedback! – I just wanted to share the Eligibility Criteria page for the conference that is available on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.o rg/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Eligibility_Criteria
I have received some off-list questions about specific details for
specific
affiliates. I think most of the questions are answered on this page. In case your question is not answered, feel free to write me an e-mail off-list.
Best regards, Cornelius
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Dear Lodewijk,
The link is broken too. Here is the the clickable link:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Eligibility_Criter...
Cheers
2017-10-26 9:45 GMT+07:00 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
funny enough, Asaf's version arrived broken here too, albeit in a different place:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/ Eligibility_Criteria
Hope more luck this time!
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Unbroken link for those on mobile devices who may have a harder time
fixing
it: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2 018/Eligibility_Criteria
A.
On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 1:50 AM Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi all,
aside from the conversation about project/language communities – thanks
for
the feedback! – I just wanted to share the Eligibility Criteria page
for
the conference that is available on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.o rg/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Eligibility_Criteria
I have received some off-list questions about specific details for
specific
affiliates. I think most of the questions are answered on this page. In case your question is not answered, feel free to write me an e-mail off-list.
Best regards, Cornelius
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here is a short url created using Google URL shortner
On 26 October 2017 at 10:49, Biyanto Rebin biyanto.rebin@wikimedia.or.id wrote:
Dear Lodewijk,
The link is broken too. Here is the the clickable link:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_ 2018/Eligibility_Criteria
Cheers
2017-10-26 9:45 GMT+07:00 Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org:
funny enough, Asaf's version arrived broken here too, albeit in a
different
place:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/ Eligibility_Criteria
Hope more luck this time!
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 6:29 PM, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Unbroken link for those on mobile devices who may have a harder time
fixing
it: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2 018/Eligibility_Criteria
A.
On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 1:50 AM Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
Hi all,
aside from the conversation about project/language communities –
thanks
for
the feedback! – I just wanted to share the Eligibility Criteria page
for
the conference that is available on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.o rg/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018/Eligibility_Criteria
I have received some off-list questions about specific details for
specific
affiliates. I think most of the questions are answered on this page.
In
case your question is not answered, feel free to write me an e-mail off-list.
Best regards, Cornelius
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Chris,
As Cornelius wrote, this conversation will be a part of phase 2 discussions which are supposed take place in many different places, on- and offline. We won't just put the cart before the horse. I envision the movement strategy process to also offer space for conversations about how strategic, decision making processes and platforms for the movement could look in the future. The outcomes of these conversations can then inform how goals, structures and representation for a conference like WMCON can look like in the future.
Hope this helps, Nicole
On 25 October 2017 at 12:52, Chris Keating chriskeatingwiki@gmail.com wrote:
So will there be a broader discussion about the future of the Wikimedia Conference that's open to people who are not attending?
I could certainly see a group of people in a conference hotel for a weekend deciding that they are a vital forum for important decisions about the future of the movement, but that wouldn't mean that it's a good idea to take that at face value without input from the 10,000 or so people who weren't invited to the conference. :)
Chris
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Cornelius Kibelka cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de wrote:
Hi Lodewijk,
One of the goals for the 2018 conference will be to come to an agreement upon the ultimate goal, structure and set-up for the Wikimedia Conference in the longer future. The outcomes of these conversations will also depend on the agreements we achieve during phase 2 of the strategy process, for example in terms of roles and responsibilities of movement organizations. By slightly adjusting the 2018 participation criteria (we're talking about 10 people), we do not mean to change the overall nature of the conference for the future. It's just a quick fix for the symptoms, not a solution to the overall.
Best regards Cornelius
On 24 October 2017 at 18:29, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
While it is true that there are now for *some* languages also organizations that have it as their specific goal to support those (Amical has been doing that for Catalan for a long time, though), this is not the case for most major languages. In the whole field of affiliates, including user groups, most are tied to a geography, rather than other factors.
Even in an outreach, engagement, communication perspective, we have always held off on calling the affiliates 'representative'. In this context it would even go a step further: it would make them *politically* representative. This could be particularly painful when an editing community does not feel represented (for example, because the user group that has their language as focus, if any, is the subset of users that likes to focus on a subset of topics that is not the focus of most of the community.
While lines between focus areas blur, and our movement diversifies, this does not necessarily mean the roles changed that much.
If your goal really is to make it representative, then you either have to make affiliates more representative, or you have to invite other people.
I'm looking forward to Cornelius' response on what the underlying goal is for this change, because I suspect his proposed change of wording is not cutting it yet.
Lodewijk
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is not representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and advantages, the affiliate model has become very different.
Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages and topics to varying degrees.
In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local language representatives. There is a difference though between representative in
an
outreach, engagement or communication role with that of legal representative.
The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as affiliates gain in their experience. Maybe the conference should reflect the new roles
and
responsibilities being carved out by the evolving affiliate model.
Seddon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs michael@maggs.name wrote:
Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its purpose has always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not as representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a specific language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia.
Michael
On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com
wrote:
I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local
chapters
have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want language communities to be under the control of local chapters or
user
groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their representatives if they must be represented.
Regards,
Isaac.
On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" lodewijk@effeietsanders.org
wrote:
That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as
always
:)
As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and
organized
groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole
movement.
In
2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the
same
location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was
quite
a
unique situation because of the strategic process.
The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a
goal.
If
being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the
structure
probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation
for
all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative from the Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would
be
to
fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This
could
be
input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures
where
we
even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would
not
imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a similar consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider
other
areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or
project
communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of
developing
language communities in Africa or communities that are
government-blocked -
of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would
also
send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative
what
you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal).
There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could
have
in
mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate
from
the official line that chapters don't represent language communities, though. That is, unless this official line has changed.
Warmly, Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka < cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote:
> Hi Lodewijk, hi JP, > > Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia Conference > would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be.
For
the > Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited
to
the
> conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the > selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been. > > To be more representative on a global scale and to have more
different
> people from different regions present at the conference, we needed
clear,
> transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no
solution
that
> covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this
approach
> – with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference
> Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming
year,
this
> approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept
of
the > Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway. > > Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized
in
the
> past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least
two
> representatives. > > I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy
to
> receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and
transparent
> criteria. > > Best regards, > > Cornelius > > > On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland <
jpbeland@wikimedia.ca>
> wrote: > >> I share the questions of Lodewijk >> >> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, < >> cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de> wrote: >> >>> Of course, I meant: >>> >>> "The registration process will start on November 24, *2017* and
will
> end >>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018." >>> >>> Thank you >>> Cornelius >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Cornelius Kibelka >>> >>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) >>> for the Wikimedia Conference >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" < >>> cornelius.kibelka@wikimedia.de>: >>> >>>> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia affiliates, >>>> >>>> A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia Conference will >>> take >>>> place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in > Berlin-Neukölln >>>> (same location as in 2017). This email contains information about the >>>> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited
affiliates
>>>> including the relevant reporting deadlines. >>>> >>>> == Program Themes == >>>> >>>> As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia > Conference >>>> 2018 will again focus on three core themes. >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>>> Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the Wikimedia >> Movement >>>> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer
the
>>> question >>>> "How do we implement the strategic direction", which means >>> identifying the >>>> roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities it >>> involves. >>>> In order to ensure participation from the organized part of the >>> movement in >>>> this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on
movement
>>> strategy. >>>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia > Foundation. >>>> - >>>> >>>> Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia organizations > and >>>> groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in working >>> with >>>> partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at
the
>> last >>>> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia > conferences, >>> we aim >>>> to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience sharing >> and >>>> learning around partnerships within and outside the Wikimedia >>> movement. >>>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia > Foundation’s >>> Global >>>> Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships & Development
team
>> and >>> the >>>> volunteer “Partnerships group”. >>>> - >>>> >>>> Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference
currently
> is >>>> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among Wikimedia >>> affiliates. >>>> Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed >> according >>> to >>>> the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track
will
> be >>>> designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning & Evaluation >> team, >>> and >>>> will complement the pre-conference Learning Days. >>>> >>>> >>>> == Eligibility Criteria == >>>> >>>> The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia > Conference >>>> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia >>>> Foundation. >>>> >>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown > signs >> of >>>> recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on > their >>>> reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017).
Moreover,
>>>> affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the
Wikimedia
>>>> Foundation before April 19, 2017. >>>> >>>> == Participant number regulation == >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send two >>>> delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ at > least >>> 0.5 >>>> FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is a paid >>> staff >>>> member. >>>> - >>>> >>>> Allied organizations may send two delegates. >>>> - >>>> >>>> The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of active >>>> editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any > affiliate, >>> or >>>> have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was recognized >>> after >>>> April 19, 2017, may send one delegate. >>>> - >>>> >>>> As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an >>>> (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese, > Vietnamese, >>> Tamil, >>>> Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia
Commons
> and >>>> Wikivoyage communities. >>>> - >>>> >>>> The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for the >> Bengali >>>> community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindi >>> community), Wikimedia >>>> Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community), as > well >> as >>>> the Commons Photographers User Group (for the Wikimedia Commons >>>> community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the
Wikivoyage
>>>> communities) may send one delegate. For the language > communities >>> (Japanese, >>>> Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding and > making >>> process >>>> on who will be the one person sent to the conference, need
to
> be >>> made in >>>> the public (on-wiki). >>>> >>>> >>>> == Registration timeline == >>>> >>>> The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and will end >>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be > provided >>> on >>>> Meta.[1] >>>> >>>> If you have any questions regarding the registration process or
the
>>>> Wikimedia Conference, please >>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=
gmail&source=g
> do >>> not hesitate to send us an e-mail to >>>> wmcon@wikimedia.de. >>>> >>>> Warm regards, >>>> >>>> Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka >>>> >>>> Wikimedia Conference team >>>> >>>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018 >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Cornelius Kibelka >>>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC) >>>> for the Wikimedia Conference >>>> >>>> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963
Berlin
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