Hoi,
It is not that someone has nothing worthwhile to contribute, it is just
that once you have interviewed a group that is of sufficient variety the
likelyhood of hearing anything new will vanish. When too much information
is gathered it becomes unwieldy as well and the discussion will peter out.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 October 2017 at 14:24, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Theres never the perfect solution, even with carefully
selected groups you
will never know what else could have been brought to the table, it doesnt
matter where that line is whether its 2, 200, or 2000 whoever, however,
what ever the criteria that the carefully selected group is comprised of
the selection process alone introduces some bias, creates a division and
implies someones opinion isnt worth considering.
Starting some where is the important aspect, doing so in a manageable way
with the available resources is the only prudent way forward
On 25 October 2017 at 19:19, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
When you do research, you know that there is a deminishing return on
adding
more people that are asked the same question. It
may seem to be
empowering
but realistically the initial group comes up with
the answers you are
seeking.
So what do you think all these others have to add to what a carefull
selected group of people have to offer?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 25 October 2017 at 12:52, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
So will there be a broader discussion about the
future of the
Wikimedia Conference that's open to people who are not attending?
I could certainly see a group of people in a conference hotel for a
weekend deciding that they are a vital forum for important decisions
about the future of the movement, but that wouldn't mean that it's a
good idea to take that at face value without input from the 10,000 or
so people who weren't invited to the conference. :)
Chris
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Cornelius Kibelka
<cornelius.kibelka(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
> Hi Lodewijk,
>
> One of the goals for the 2018 conference will be to come to an
agreement
> upon the ultimate goal, structure and set-up
for the Wikimedia
Conference
in the
longer future. The outcomes of these conversations will also
depend
> on the agreements we achieve during phase 2 of the strategy process,
for
> example in terms of roles and
responsibilities of movement
organizations.
By
slightly adjusting the 2018 participation criteria (we're talking
about
> 10 people), we do not mean to change the overall nature of the
conference
> > for the future. It's just a quick fix for the symptoms, not a
solution
to
> > the overall.
> >
> > Best regards
> > Cornelius
> >
> > On 24 October 2017 at 18:29, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> While it is true that there are now for *some* languages also
> organizations
> >> that have it as their specific goal to support those (Amical has
been
doing
>> that for Catalan for a long time, though), this is not the case for
most
> major
languages. In the whole field of affiliates, including user
groups,
> most are tied to a geography, rather than
other factors.
>
> Even in an outreach, engagement, communication perspective, we have
always
>> held off on calling the affiliates 'representative'. In this context
it
>> would even go a step further: it would
make them *politically*
>> representative. This could be particularly painful when an editing
>> community does not feel represented (for example, because the user
group
> >> that has their language as focus, if any, is the subset of users
that
likes
>> to focus on a subset of topics that is not the focus of most of the
>> community.
>>
>> While lines between focus areas blur, and our movement diversifies,
this
> >> does not necessarily mean the roles changed that much.
> >>
> >> If your goal really is to make it representative, then you either
have
to
>> make affiliates more representative, or you have to invite other
people.
> >>
> >> I'm looking forward to Cornelius' response on what the underlying
goal
is
>> for this change, because I suspect his proposed change of wording is
not
> >> cutting it yet.
> >>
> >> Lodewijk
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Joseph Seddon <
jseddon(a)wikimedia.org
>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > The conference was born from the old affiliate model but that is
not
> > representative of where we are now and for
all its flaws and
advantages,
>> > the affiliate model has become very different.
>> >
>> > Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages
and
> >> > topics to varying degrees.
> >> >
> >> > In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local
language
> >> > representatives. There is a
difference though between
representative
> in
> >> an
> >> > outreach, engagement or communication role with that of legal
> >> > representative.
> >> >
> >> > The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as
affiliates
gain
>> > in their experience. Maybe the conference should reflect the new
roles
> >> and
> >> > responsibilities being carved out by the evolving affiliate model.
> >> >
> >> > Seddon
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs <
michael(a)maggs.name
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Agreed. This would change the conference significantly. Its
purpose
> has
> >> > > always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement
> >> > > *organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and
not
as
>> > > representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a
specific
> >> > > language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia.
> >> > >
> >> > > Michael
> >> > >
> >> > > > On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde <
> reachout2isaac(a)gmail.com>
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is
that
local
> >> > chapters
> >> > > > have no control/authority over any language community.
Unless
we
want
>> > > > language communities to be under the control of local chapters
or
> >> user
> >> > > > groups, language communities should be allowed to choose
their
>>
> > > representatives if they must be represented.
>> > > >
>> > > > Regards,
>> > > >
>> > > > Isaac.
>> > > >
>> > > > On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" <
lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself,
as
>> > always
>> > > :)
>> > > >
>> > > > As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured
and
> >> > > organized
> >> > > > groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the
whole
> >> > movement.
> >> > > In
> >> > > > 2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking
place
in
> the
> >> > same
> >> > > > location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this
was
>>
quite
>> > a
>> > > > unique situation because of the strategic process.
>> > > >
>> > > > The first question would be whether you accept each challenge
as a
> >> > goal.
> >> > > If
> >> > > > being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal,
the
> >> > > structure
> >> > > > probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default
> invitation
> >> > for
> >> > > > all groups may have to be reconsidered. One representative
from
> the
> >> > > > Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal,
which
> would
> >> > be
> >> > > to
> >> > > > fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants.
This
>>
could
>> > be
>> > > > input from certain language communities, or from certain
cultures
>
where
> > > we
> > > > even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it
would
>> > not
>> > > > imply a representation as much. In part it would lead to a
similar
>> > > > consideration and
outcome, but it would force you to also
consider
> >> > other
> >> > > > areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied
movements
> or
> >> > > project
> >> > > > communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective
of
> >> developing
> >> > > > language communities in Africa or communities that are
> >> > > government-blocked -
> >> > > > of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by
affiliates).
This
would
> > > also
> > > > send the message to the communities you ask to send a
representative
> > what
> > > > you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your
goal).
>> > > >
>> > > > There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural)
could
> have
> > > in
> > > > mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to
deviate
> > > from
> > > > the official line that chapters don't represent language
communities,
>> > > > though. That is, unless this official line has changed.
>> > > >
>> > > > Warmly,
>> > > > Lodewijk
>> > > >
>> > > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka <
>> > > > cornelius.kibelka(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Hi Lodewijk, hi JP,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Over the last years, we received the feedback that the
Wikimedia
> >> > > > Conference
> >> > > >> would not be as (globally) representative as it could or
should
be.
> > For
> > > > the
> > > >> Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were
invited
>> to
>> > > the
>> > > >> conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but
the
> >> > > >> selection/invitation process was not as clear as it
could
have
been.
> > > >>
> > > >> To be more representative on a global scale and to have more
> different
> > > >> people from different regions present at the conference, we
needed
>> > > clear,
>> > > >> transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no
>> solution
>> > > that
>> > > >> covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give
this
> >> > > approach
> >> > > >> – with clear criteria – at least a try for the
Wikimedia
> Conference
> >> > > 2018.
> >> > > >> Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the
upcoming
> year,
> > > this
> > > >> approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole
concept
> > of
> > > > the
> > > >> Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway.
> > > >>
> > > >> Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was
criticized
>> in
>> > > the
>> > > >> past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at
least
> two
> > > >> representatives.
> > > >>
> > > >> I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m
happy
>> to
>> > > >> receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and
>> > transparent
>> > > >> criteria.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Best regards,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Cornelius
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland <
>> > > jpbeland(a)wikimedia.ca>
>> > > >> wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >>> I share the questions of Lodewijk
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, <
>> > > >>> cornelius.kibelka(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> Of course, I meant:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> "The registration process will start on November
24, *2017*
and
> >> will
> >> > > >> end
> >> > > >>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15,
2018."
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Thank you
> >> > > >>>> Cornelius
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> --
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Cornelius Kibelka
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC)
> >> > > >>>> for the Wikimedia Conference
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>> Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius
Kibelka" <
> >> > > >>>> cornelius.kibelka(a)wikimedia.de>gt;:
> >> > > >>>>
> >> > > >>>>> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of
Wikimedia
> affiliates,
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> A few weeks ago, we announced that the next
Wikimedia
> Conference
> >> > > > will
> >> > > >>>> take
> >> > > >>>>> place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the
Mercure Hotel in
> >> > > >> Berlin-Neukölln
> >> > > >>>>> (same location as in 2017). This email
contains
information
> about
> >> > > > the
> >> > > >>>>> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria
for invited
> >> affiliates
> >> > > >>>>> including the relevant reporting deadlines.
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> == Program Themes ==
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> As in the previous editions of the
conference, the
Wikimedia
> > > >> Conference
> > > >>>>> 2018 will again focus on three core themes.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> -
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the
Wikimedia
>> > > >>> Movement
>> > > >>>>> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will
be to
answer
> >> the
> >> > > >>>> question
> >> > > >>>>> "How do we implement the strategic
direction", which
means
> > > >>>> identifying the
> > > >>>>> roles and resources needed for execution, and the
activities it
>> > > >>>> involves.
>> > > >>>>> In order to ensure participation from the
organized part
of
> the
> >> > > >>>> movement in
> >> > > >>>>> this next phase, we will again host a
three-day track on
> >> movement
> >> > > >>>> strategy.
> >> > > >>>>> This track will be designed together with
the Wikimedia
> >> > > >> Foundation.
> >> > > >>>>> -
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement:
Wikimedia
> organizations
> >> > > >> and
> >> > > >>>>> groups have a wide variety of experiences
and knowledge
in
> >> > > > working
> >> > > >>>> with
> >> > > >>>>> partners to achieve our mission. Based on
the
conversation
> at
> >> the
> >> > > >>> last
> >> > > >>>>> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and
regional Wikimedia
> >> > > >> conferences,
> >> > > >>>> we aim
> >> > > >>>>> to continue to offer a space for
conversations,
experience
> > > > sharing
> > > >>> and
> > > >>>>> learning around partnerships within and outside the
Wikimedia
>> > > >>>> movement.
>> > > >>>>> This track will be designed together with the
Wikimedia
>> > > >> Foundation’s
>> > > >>>> Global
>> > > >>>>> Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s
Partnerships &
Development
> team
> > > >>> and
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>>> volunteer “Partnerships group”.
> > > >>>>> -
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia
Conference
> currently
> > > >> is
> > > >>>>> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing
among
Wikimedia
>> > > >>>> affiliates.
>> > > >>>>> Again, we will host a track with sessions that
are
designed
>> > > >>> according
>> > > >>>> to
>> > > >>>>> the participants’ needs, wishes and
experiences. This
track
> >> will
> >> > > >> be
> >> > > >>>>> designed in close consultation with WMF’s
Learning &
> Evaluation
> >> > > >>> team,
> >> > > >>>> and
> >> > > >>>>> will complement the pre-conference
Learning Days.
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> == Eligibility Criteria ==
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> The eligibility criteria for participating
in the
Wikimedia
> >> > > >> Conference
> >> > > >>>>> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’
Agreements with the
> Wikimedia
> >> > > >>>>> Foundation.
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User
Groups must have
> shown
> >> > > >> signs
> >> > > >>> of
> >> > > >>>>> recent activity (within the last six months)
and be
> up-to-date on
> >> > > >> their
> >> > > >>>>> reporting by the eligibility deadline
(December 15, 2017).
> >> > Moreover,
> >> > > >>>>> affiliates need to have been officially
recognized by the
> >> Wikimedia
> >> > > >>>>> Foundation before April 19, 2017.
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> == Participant number regulation ==
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> -
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User
Groups may
send
two
>> > > >>>>> delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations
which
employ
at
>> > > >> least
>> > > >>>> 0.5
>> > > >>>>> FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional
delegate who
is
a
>> > > > paid
>> > > >>>> staff
>> > > >>>>> member.
>> > > >>>>> -
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Allied organizations may send two delegates.
>> > > >>>>> -
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> The biggest ten language/project communities
(by numbers
of
> >> > > > active
> >> > > >>>>> editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not
represented by
any
> >> > > >> affiliate,
> >> > > >>>> or
> >> > > >>>>> have an affiliate, which is not eligible
because it was
> >> > > > recognized
> >> > > >>>> after
> >> > > >>>>> April 19, 2017, may send one delegate.
> >> > > >>>>> -
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> As per September 2017, the biggest
communities
without
an
> >> > > >>>>> (eligible) affiliate representation are
the Japanese,
> >> > > >> Vietnamese,
> >> > > >>>> Tamil,
> >> > > >>>>> Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and
Malay, Wikimedia
> >> Commons
> >> > > >> and
> >> > > >>>>> Wikivoyage communities.
> >> > > >>>>> -
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians
User Group
(for
> the
> >> > > >>> Bengali
> >> > > >>>>> community), Hindi Wikimedians User
Group (for the
Hindi
>>
> > >>>> community), Wikimedia
>> > > >>>>> Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay
community),
> as
> >> > > >> well
> >> > > >>> as
> >> > > >>>>> the Commons Photographers User Group
(for the
Wikimedia
> >> > > > Commons
> >> > > >>>>> community) and the Wikivoyage
Association (for the
> >> Wikivoyage
> >> > > >>>>> communities) may send one delegate. For
the language
> >> > > >> communities
> >> > > >>>> (Japanese,
> >> > > >>>>> Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian),
decision
finding
> and
> >> > > >> making
> >> > > >>>> process
> >> > > >>>>> on who will be the one person sent to
the conference,
> need
> >> to
> >> > > >> be
> >> > > >>>> made in
> >> > > >>>>> the public (on-wiki).
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> == Registration timeline ==
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> The registration process will start on
November 24, 2018
and
> will
> >> > > > end
> >> > > >>>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15,
2018. The link
will
be
> >> > > >> provided
> >> > > >>>> on
> >> > > >>>>> Meta.[1]
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> If you have any questions regarding the
registration
process
or
>> the
>> > > >>>>> Wikimedia Conference, please
>> > > >>>>
<https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=
>> gmail&source=g
>> > >
>> > > >> do
>> > > >>>> not hesitate to send us an e-mail to
>> > > >>>>> wmcon(a)wikimedia.de.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Warm regards,
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Wikimedia Conference team
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> [1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/
wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>>
> >> > > >>>>> --
> >> > > >>>>> Cornelius Kibelka
> >> > > >>>>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC)
> >> > > >>>>> for the Wikimedia Conference
> >> > > >>>>>
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