Hi Lodewijk,
One of the goals for the 2018 conference will be to come to an agreement
upon the ultimate goal, structure and set-up for the Wikimedia Conference
in the longer future. The outcomes of these conversations will also depend
on the agreements we achieve during phase 2 of the strategy process, for
example in terms of roles and responsibilities of movement organizations.
By slightly adjusting the 2018 participation criteria (we're talking about
10 people), we do not mean to change the overall nature of the conference
for the future. It's just a quick fix for the symptoms, not a solution to
the overall.
Best regards
Cornelius
On 24 October 2017 at 18:29, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> wrote:
While it is true that there are now for *some*
languages also organizations
that have it as their specific goal to support those (Amical has been doing
that for Catalan for a long time, though), this is not the case for most
major languages. In the whole field of affiliates, including user groups,
most are tied to a geography, rather than other factors.
Even in an outreach, engagement, communication perspective, we have always
held off on calling the affiliates 'representative'. In this context it
would even go a step further: it would make them *politically*
representative. This could be particularly painful when an editing
community does not feel represented (for example, because the user group
that has their language as focus, if any, is the subset of users that likes
to focus on a subset of topics that is not the focus of most of the
community.
While lines between focus areas blur, and our movement diversifies, this
does not necessarily mean the roles changed that much.
If your goal really is to make it representative, then you either have to
make affiliates more representative, or you have to invite other people.
I'm looking forward to Cornelius' response on what the underlying goal is
for this change, because I suspect his proposed change of wording is not
cutting it yet.
Lodewijk
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 4:56 AM, Joseph Seddon <jseddon(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
The conference was born from the old affiliate
model but that is not
representative of where we are now and for all its flaws and advantages,
the affiliate model has become very different.
Affiliates in some cases really do represent, projects, languages and
topics to varying degrees.
In some cases maybe affiliates really should be their local language
representatives. There is a difference though between representative in
an
outreach, engagement or communication role with
that of legal
representative.
The line blurs with each passing year and particularly as affiliates gain
in their experience. Maybe the conference should reflect the new roles
and
responsibilities being carved out by the evolving
affiliate model.
Seddon
On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 10:45 AM, Michael Maggs <michael(a)maggs.name>
wrote:
Agreed. This would change the conference
significantly. Its purpose has
always been to discuss matters of common interest to movement
*organisations*. Organisations attend on their own behalf and not as
representatives for any wider groups such as speakers of a specific
language, or editors of any particular Wikipedia.
Michael
> On 23 Oct 2017, at 19:54, Isaac Olatunde <reachout2isaac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> I share Lodewijk's concerns here. My understanding is that local
chapters
> > have no control/authority over any language community. Unless we want
> > language communities to be under the control of local chapters or
user
>
groups, language communities should be allowed to choose their
> representatives if they must be represented.
>
> Regards,
>
> Isaac.
>
> On Oct 23, 2017 7:16 PM, "Lodewijk" <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
wrote:
>
> That all depends on the goals that the conference sets itself, as
always
:)
>
> As I understood it, the conference is intended for structured and
organized
> groups, rather than to be a representative forum for the whole
movement.
In
> 2017, I understood there to be mostly two events taking place in the
same
> > location - with some overlap in program. In that sense, this was
quite
a
> unique situation because of the strategic
process.
>
> The first question would be whether you accept each challenge as a
goal.
If
> being representative of the whole movement becomes the goal, the
structure
> probably needs to be overhauled much more, and the default invitation
for
> all groups may have to be reconsidered. One
representative from the
> Japanese community wouldn't cut it, then (for example).
>
> On the other side, I could also imagine a different goal, which would
be
> to
> > fill certain gaps in input diversity from the participants. This
could
be
> > input from certain language communities, or from certain cultures
where
we
> even lack readership. This would make more sense to me - as it would
not
> imply a representation as much. In part it
would lead to a similar
> consideration and outcome, but it would force you to also consider
other
> > areas where input is lacking from. For example, allied movements or
> project
> > communities beyond Wikipedia (for example, the collective of
developing
>
language communities in Africa or communities that are
government-blocked -
> of which I'm uncertain if they are covered by affiliates). This would
also
> send the message to the communities you ask to send a representative
what
> > you expect of such participant (if that would indeed be your goal).
> >
> > There could be many other goals of course, that you (plural) could
have
in
> mind. I'm not sure which applies best. I would suggest not to deviate
from
> the official line that chapters don't represent language communities,
> though. That is, unless this official line has changed.
>
> Warmly,
> Lodewijk
>
> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 10:56 AM, Cornelius Kibelka <
> cornelius.kibelka(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi Lodewijk, hi JP,
>>
>> Over the last years, we received the feedback that the Wikimedia
> Conference
>> would not be as (globally) representative as it could or should be.
For
> > the
> >> Wikimedia Conference 2017, several “Community Leaders” were invited
to
> the
> >> conference to be heard for the Movement Strategy process, but the
> >> selection/invitation process was not as clear as it could have been.
> >>
> >> To be more representative on a global scale and to have more
different
> >> people from different regions
present at the conference, we needed
> clear,
> >> transparent and non arbitrary criteria. However, there is no
solution
> that
> >> covers every possible challenge. Therefore, we chose to give this
> approach
> >> – with clear criteria – at least a try for the Wikimedia Conference
> 2018.
> >> Also, as we expect more changes in the Movement in the upcoming
year,
this
>> approach is a try for 2018 only, as an overhaul of the whole concept
of
> > the
> >> Wikimedia Conference will be needed anyway.
> >>
> >> Additionally, I want to highlight this, because this was criticized
in
> the
> >> past as well, all regularly eligible affiliates may send at least
two
> >> representatives.
> >>
> >> I’m aware that this approach implies challenges, though. I’m happy
to
>>
receive suggestions on how to come up with equally clear and
transparent
> >> criteria.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Cornelius
> >>
> >>
> >> On 23 October 2017 at 19:37, Jean-Philippe Béland <
> jpbeland(a)wikimedia.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I share the questions of Lodewijk
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 19:22 Cornelius Kibelka, <
> >>> cornelius.kibelka(a)wikimedia.de> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Of course, I meant:
> >>>>
> >>>> "The registration process will start on November 24, *2017*
and
will
> >> end
> >>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018."
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you
> >>>> Cornelius
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>>
> >>>> Cornelius Kibelka
> >>>>
> >>>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC)
> >>>> for the Wikimedia Conference
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 23.10.2017 18:04 schrieb "Cornelius Kibelka" <
> >>>> cornelius.kibelka(a)wikimedia.de>gt;:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Dear Wikimedians, dear representatives of Wikimedia
affiliates,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A few weeks ago, we announced that the next Wikimedia
Conference
> > will
> >>>> take
> >>>>> place from April 20 to 22, 2018 at the Mercure Hotel in
> >> Berlin-Neukölln
> >>>>> (same location as in 2017). This email contains information
about
> > the
> >>>>> program themes and the Eligibility Criteria for invited
affiliates
> >>>>> including the relevant
reporting deadlines.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> == Program Themes ==
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As in the previous editions of the conference, the Wikimedia
> >> Conference
> >>>>> 2018 will again focus on three core themes.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Movement Strategy: In November 2017, phase 2 of the
Wikimedia
> >>> Movement
> >>>>> Strategy Process will start. Its main goal will be to answer
the
> >>>> question
> >>>>> "How do we implement the strategic direction",
which means
> >>>> identifying the
> >>>>> roles and resources needed for execution, and the activities
it
> >>>> involves.
> >>>>> In order to ensure participation from the organized part of
the
> >>>> movement in
> >>>>> this next phase, we will again host a three-day track on
movement
> >>>> strategy.
> >>>>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
> >> Foundation.
> >>>>> -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Partnerships in the Wikimedia Movement: Wikimedia
organizations
> >> and
> >>>>> groups have a wide variety of experiences and knowledge in
> > working
> >>>> with
> >>>>> partners to achieve our mission. Based on the conversation at
the
> >>> last
> >>>>> Wikimedia Conference, Wikimania, and regional Wikimedia
> >> conferences,
> >>>> we aim
> >>>>> to continue to offer a space for conversations, experience
> > sharing
> >>> and
> >>>>> learning around partnerships within and outside the
Wikimedia
> >>>> movement.
> >>>>> This track will be designed together with the Wikimedia
> >> Foundation’s
> >>>> Global
> >>>>> Reach & Partnerships team, WMDE’s Partnerships &
Development
team
> >>> and
> >>>> the
> >>>>> volunteer “Partnerships group”.
> >>>>> -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Capacity Building & Learning: The Wikimedia Conference
currently
> >> is
> >>>>> one of the main spaces for learning and sharing among
Wikimedia
> >>>> affiliates.
> >>>>> Again, we will host a track with sessions that are designed
> >>> according
> >>>> to
> >>>>> the participants’ needs, wishes and experiences. This track
will
>>
be
>>>>> designed in close consultation with WMF’s Learning &
Evaluation
>>> team,
>>>> and
>>>>> will complement the pre-conference Learning Days.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> == Eligibility Criteria ==
>>>>>
>>>>> The eligibility criteria for participating in the Wikimedia
>> Conference
>>>>> 2018 are aligned to the Affiliates’ Agreements with the Wikimedia
>>>>> Foundation.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups must have shown
>> signs
>>> of
>>>>> recent activity (within the last six months) and be up-to-date on
>> their
>>>>> reporting by the eligibility deadline (December 15, 2017).
Moreover,
> >>>>> affiliates need to have been officially recognized by the
Wikimedia
> >>>>> Foundation before April
19, 2017.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> == Participant number regulation ==
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chapters, Thematic Organizations and User Groups may send
two
> >>>>> delegates. Chapters and Thematic Organizations which employ
at
> >> least
> >>>> 0.5
> >>>>> FTE by Sep 1, 2017, may send one additional delegate who is
a
> > paid
> >>>> staff
> >>>>> member.
> >>>>> -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Allied organizations may send two delegates.
> >>>>> -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The biggest ten language/project communities (by numbers of
> > active
> >>>>> editors [>5 edits/month]) that are not represented by any
> >> affiliate,
> >>>> or
> >>>>> have an affiliate, which is not eligible because it was
> > recognized
> >>>> after
> >>>>> April 19, 2017, may send one delegate.
> >>>>> -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As per September 2017, the biggest communities without an
> >>>>> (eligible) affiliate representation are the Japanese,
> >> Vietnamese,
> >>>> Tamil,
> >>>>> Bengali, Slovak, Croatian, Hindi and Malay, Wikimedia
Commons
> >> and
> >>>>> Wikivoyage communities.
> >>>>> -
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The user groups West Bengal Wikimedians User Group (for
the
> >>> Bengali
> >>>>> community), Hindi Wikimedians User Group (for the Hindi
> >>>> community), Wikimedia
> >>>>> Community User Group Malaysia (for the Malay community),
as
> >> well
> >>> as
> >>>>> the Commons Photographers User Group (for the Wikimedia
> > Commons
> >>>>> community) and the Wikivoyage Association (for the
Wikivoyage
> >>>>> communities) may
send one delegate. For the language
> >> communities
> >>>> (Japanese,
> >>>>> Vietnamese, Tamil, Slovak, Croatian), decision finding
and
> >> making
> >>>> process
> >>>>> on who will be the one person sent to the conference, need
to
> >> be
> >>>> made in
> >>>>> the public (on-wiki).
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> == Registration timeline ==
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The registration process will start on November 24, 2018 and
will
> > end
> >>>>> sharply (no exceptions), on January 15, 2018. The link will be
> >> provided
> >>>> on
> >>>>> Meta.[1]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you have any questions regarding the registration process or
the
> >>>>> Wikimedia Conference,
please
> >>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=Conference,+please&entry=
gmail&source=g
>
> >> do
> >>>> not hesitate to send us an e-mail to
> >>>>> wmcon(a)wikimedia.de.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Warm regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Daniela Gentner & Cornelius Kibelka
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wikimedia Conference team
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2018
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Cornelius Kibelka
> >>>>> Program and Engagement Coordinator (PEC)
> >>>>> for the Wikimedia Conference
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963
Berlin
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>>>>>
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