Hi, There is a very active campaign for strategic conversation defining the future role of Wikimedia in the world. In the last weekend has been hold the Wikimedia Conference 2017 in Berlin. On this conference was a spacial group organized from Representatives for the Movement Strategy Track. I paid great attention the conference program, but unlike the former practice on the conference page on the meta was not e bit information about what happened in this section. No Ethernet, no abstract of presentation, nothing. I don't understand the new policy of organizers, that the conference out of the ordinary way was hold in totally confidential or secret wise. My question this should bee the new Wikimedia strategy? Texaner -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Hello Hajdu, As Chris mentioned, there is a lot of documentation coming from the Wikimedia conference in Berlin. In fact, there is so much documentation that it's going to take the team a few days to digitize and publish everything. You can see some of the notes from related discussions, for example: * The notes from a discussion about movement strategy by contributors from Wikimedia Commons: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Sources/Commons_in-person_discussion_at_the_ Wikimedia_Conference * The notes from a discussion about movement strategy by the Wikimedia Foundation's Board of Trustees: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Sources/ Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees_-_Discussion_at_the_ Wikimedia_Conference The rest of the notes, photos, summaries, etc. will be published this week or the next. There was nothing confidential about the sessions, and many participants have shared their work and sessions on Commons ( https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Conference_2017 ) and on social media ( https://twitter.com/search?q=wmcon%20strategy&src=typd ). I hope that this reassures you and gives you some materials to look over until we upload everything else. 2017-04-05 0:12 GMT-07:00 Hajdu Kálmán &lt;kalman(a)startadsl.hu&gt;hu>: the the meta Ethernet, of -- Guillaume Paumier _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

The backside seems to be that those who have been to the conference feel no incentive to participate in the strategy discussions in the projects, and these discussions show up as major disappointment (like those on the English Wikipedia or Wikidata) or do not really interest anybody (at the Russian Wikivoyage, we compiled a large document, which will likely be translated to English, moved to Meta and forgotten). Which technically means that this time, the individual contributors are excluded from building up the strategy, unless they can do it via chapters and thematic organizations. Cheers Yaroslav On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Tanel Pern &lt;tanel.pern(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Hi Guillaume, the conference of course does not exclude individual participants per se, nor did I ever imply it was in any way planned. However, we saw that the previous Strategy discussion was kept in a dedicated place (the strategy wiki), which attracted everybody who wanted to participate, and created a critical mass where discussions were possible and meaningful, and eventually were able to produce the strategy document. Currently the discussions are spread into 20+ projects (formally 300, but most of them are struggling and are not able to produce any discussion documents). I understand the idea, that people should be able to discuss in their own language and from the perspective of their own project, but it turns out that the critical mass is not assembled - the discussion is not happening, just some users leave their more or less extended opinions. In addition, since 100 the most active movement participants had a chance to discuss the strategy questions in person, they are (most of them are) not interested in going to the projects and writing anything there. Which means that even discussion on the biggest projects, where you would normally expect the critical mass to be available, is not happening either. Which means Track 2 Cycle 1 is likely to produce nothing, and I am not really looking forward to Cycle 2. I might be wrong, may be there is smth which I do not see (though I, being an administrator on 4 projects and speaking 7 languages, would classify myself as a reasonably active Wikimedia participant), but this is my current perception. Cheers Yaroslav On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Guillaume Paumier &lt;gpaumier(a)wikimedia.org&gt; wrote: feel and the thematic wrote: been conference some digitize contributors Wikimedia this Commons ( Conference_2017 been conference My https://meta.wikimedia.org/ mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l unsubscribe> , _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

I agree with everything Gnangarra said. As I recall, previous strategy discussions on meta involved fewer people later in the game with fewer documents produced than what we have now. That said, I think there was a pretty good representation of chapters at the Berlin conference and depending on your point of view, because of or in spite of their presence there were some really fruitful discussions. I say because of or in spite of their presence since they were in their own "track" at the conference and not in the "strategy track" that I was in, so I am not exactly clear on their contribution other than to arrange local meetups. Yaroslav, if you want I can quickly take you through the documents that impressed me personally the most. I know you are really busy with stuff in real life but you care about future of the art & architecture stuff and things like copyright issues. If you can't make the Utrecht strategy meetup on 15 April then maybe we can do a skype call or arrange a Leiden meetup. https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiZaterdag On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Gnangarra &lt;gnangarra(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: days. of Berlin, se, the strategy created a them out addition, interested forward languages, but individual both) prioritization projects, the (at and have basically And related from https://meta.wikimedia.org/ mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

Thanks Jane. No, 15 April 15 is the Easter, I will be hopefully travelling. May be we will have another opportunity. However, I still believe that Track 2 has been so far essentially a failure.

Hi Tomasz, may be the Polish Wikipedia is an exception, I do not know. I have the strategy discussions on the English Wikipedia, Wikidata, Meta, and Russian Wikivoyage on my watchlists, and I posted on all of them. On the first three I do not see any discussion happening (and on Wikidata, Szymon even posted on my talk page asking my opinion on how the discussion could be facilitated - and unfortunately I did not had much to answer), just users come and post their opinions (which often are not even related to strategy). On the Russian Wikivoyage, all of our active partipants produced a document, to be told by the facilitator that this is not what WMF wants to see. None of us has been to the Wikimedia Conference, and, in fact, we do have issues with Wikimedia.ru for years, so I do not expect this document to go anywhere. May be I am wrong, but, again, I participated in the last time strategy discussion, and I had a feeling that we are being listened to. Now I do not have this feeling anymore, quite the opposite. Cheers Yaroslav On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Tomasz Ganicz &lt;polimerek(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: of as a the _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Yaroslav Blanter &lt;ymbalt(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: This does not strike me as a description of what a facilitator should have been doing. "Rogol" _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>