Yaroslav,
What did you wish to see in the Track B discussions that was absent thus
far? Have you read the strategy portal? Specifically the process page and
the audit of past processes?
To doom a process from its beginning stages to failure on an unknown reason
is, at least, extremely hasty. Please involve yourself and others in the
strategy discussion in a constructive manner. This is just beginning.
Cheers,
Chico Venancio
Em 8 de abr de 2017 07:45, "Yaroslav Blanter" <ymbalt(a)gmail.com>
escreveu:
Thanks Jane. No, 15 April 15 is the Easter, I will be hopefully travelling.
May be we will have another opportunity.
However, I still believe that Track 2 has been so far essentially a failure.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I agree with everything Gnangarra said. As I recall,
previous strategy
discussions on meta involved fewer people later in the game with fewer
documents produced than what we have now. That said, I think there was a
pretty good representation of chapters at the Berlin conference and
depending on your point of view, because of or in spite of their presence
there were some really fruitful discussions. I say because of or in spite
of their presence since they were in their own "track" at the conference
and not in the "strategy track" that I was in, so I am not exactly clear
on
their contribution other than to arrange local
meetups. Yaroslav, if you
want I can quickly take you through the documents that impressed me
personally the most. I know you are really busy with stuff in real life
but
you care about future of the art & architecture
stuff and things like
copyright issues. If you can't make the Utrecht strategy meetup on 15
April
then maybe we can do a skype call or arrange a Leiden
meetup.
https://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiZaterdag
On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Gnangarra <gnangarra(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I was in Berlin and participated in the strategy
track for the three
days.
The process was very open used open space
approach such that at the end
of
> days 1 & 2 all I could say is that its been an interesting and thought
> provoking sessions because that was how the process was running. At the
> end of day three the information from the first two days helped us to
> discuss a number thermatic statements. If anyone came out of those
three
> days claiming a clear strategy for the next 15
years they'd be lying,
the
> process has just begun and the best thing
everyone can do is get
involved
> in every step along the way,. It a big task to
properly undertake and it
> will take considerable time along with lots of good faith. See the
> attached photo thats just the notes from one 2 hours session all of
which
is being
captured and will be reported on shortly.
WMF, WMDE and the Strategy team worked wonders with this process in
Berlin,
the plans ahead to bring in even more input
discussions will be amazing
On 7 April 2017 at 20:14, Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guillaume,
>
> the conference of course does not exclude individual participants per
se,
> nor did I ever imply it was in any way
planned. However, we saw that
the
> previous Strategy discussion was kept in a
dedicated place (the
strategy
> wiki), which attracted everybody who wanted
to participate, and
created a
> critical mass where discussions were
possible and meaningful, and
> eventually were able to produce the strategy document. Currently the
> discussions are spread into 20+ projects (formally 300, but most of
them
> > are struggling and are not able to produce any discussion documents).
I
> > understand the idea, that people should be
able to discuss in their
own
> language
and from the perspective of their own project, but it turns
out
that the
critical mass is not assembled - the discussion is not
happening,
> just some users leave their more or less extended opinions. In
addition,
> > since 100 the most active movement participants had a chance to
discuss
the
> strategy questions in person, they are (most of them are) not
interested
> in
> > going to the projects and writing anything there. Which means that
even
> > discussion on the biggest projects, where
you would normally expect
the
critical mass to be available, is not happening
either. Which means
Track 2
> Cycle 1 is likely to produce nothing, and I am not really looking
forward
> to Cycle 2. I might be wrong, may be there
is smth which I do not see
> (though I, being an administrator on 4 projects and speaking 7
languages,
> would classify myself as a reasonably active
Wikimedia participant),
but
this is
my current perception.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Guillaume Paumier <
gpaumier(a)wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Yaroslav,
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand how including affiliates excludes
individual
> > > contributors. There are many avenues for people and groups across
the
> >
movement to participate on wikis, in person, in video conference, in
> > off-wiki online discussions, etc. Anyone is welcome to contribute in
> > multiple tracks (as individual participant, affiliate member, or
both)
> > > and in multiple channels.
> > >
> > > There were about 100 participants who attended the whole strategy
> > > track at the conference; surely there are more than 100 people
across
> > > the projects who want to voice their
opinion on the future of the
> > > movement.
> > >
> > > Also, the strategy sessions that were held in Berlin only concerned
> > > "Cycle 1" of the discussion, which will end soon. That first
cycle
is
> > very
open and exploratory and far from the be-all and end-all of the
> > movement strategy process. I certainly hope that many people
> > contribute to cycles 2 and 3 (where the convergence and
prioritization
> > > will happen) regardless of whether they were in Berlin.
> > >
> > >
> > > 2017-04-06 13:06 GMT-07:00 Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt(a)gmail.com>om>:
> > > > The backside seems to be that those who have been to the
conference
> feel
> > no
> > > incentive to participate in the strategy discussions in the
projects,
> and
> > > these discussions show up as major disappointment (like those on
the
> > > English Wikipedia or Wikidata) or
do not really interest anybody
(at
> > the
> > > > Russian Wikivoyage, we compiled a large document, which will
likely
> be
> > > > translated to English, moved to Meta and forgotten). Which
> technically
> > > > means that this time, the individual contributors are excluded
from
> > >
building up the strategy, unless they can do it via chapters and
> thematic
> > > organizations.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Yaroslav
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Tanel Pern <tanel.pern(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Just to add to this as someone who (also) was at the conference
and
> > >> participated in a few of the
strategy track sessions, it would
have
> been
> > >> basically impossible to provide any more information than the
> conference
> > >> website already provides about what took place at this session
> > beforehand,
> > >> given the extremely open-ended nature of the discussions. Just as
> > outlined
> > >> in the session overview [1], the participants started from
basically
> > > >> nothing (other than their ideas of what's going to be
important
in
> the
> > > next
> > > >> 15 years) and ended up formulating a few dozen thematic
statements
> >> regarding the strategic direction of the
movement. Frankly, I'm
amazed
> it
> >> worked as well as it did. At the same time, I'm not at all amazed
that
> > it
> > >> would take time to digitize the materials, given how many people
> > >> participated in the session and how much paper they consumed :)
And
> > > though
> > > >> it wouldn't be difficult to publish the final thematic
statements,
some
> of
> >> them unfortunately don't make sense without some background
materials.
> >>
> >> Just my €0.02,
> >>
> >> Tanel
> >>
> >>
> >> [1]
> >>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_
> >> 2017/Program#Movement_Strategy
> >>
> >> 2017-04-06 16:42 GMT+03:00 Guillaume Paumier <
gpaumier(a)wikimedia.org
>:
> >>
> >> > Hello Hajdu,
> >> >
> >> > As Chris mentioned, there is a lot of documentation coming from
the
> > >> > Wikimedia conference in Berlin. In fact, there is so much
> > >> > documentation that it's going to take the team a few days to
> digitize
> > >> > and publish everything. You can see some of the notes from
related
> > > >> > discussions, for example:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > * The notes from a discussion about movement strategy by
> > contributors
> > > >> > from Wikimedia Commons:
> > > >> >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > > >> > movement/2017/Sources/Commons_in-person_discussion_at_the_
> > > >> > Wikimedia_Conference
> > > >> >
> > > >> > * The notes from a discussion about movement strategy by
the
> > Wikimedia
> > > >> > Foundation's Board of Trustees:
> > > >> >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > > >> movement/2017/Sources/
> > > >> > Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees_-_Discussion_at_the_
> > > >> > Wikimedia_Conference
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The rest of the notes, photos, summaries, etc. will be
published
> > this
> > > >> > week or the next. There was nothing confidential about the
> sessions,
> > > >> > and many participants have shared their work and sessions
on
> > Commons (
> > > >> >
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_
> > Conference_2017
> > > >> > ) and on social media (
> > > >> >
https://twitter.com/search?q=wmcon%20strategy&src=typd
).
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I hope that this reassures you and gives you some materials
to
> look
> > > >> > over until we upload everything else.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 2017-04-05 0:12 GMT-07:00 Hajdu Kálmán
<kalman(a)startadsl.hu>hu>:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Hi, There is a very active campaign for strategic
conversation
> > > defining
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > > future role of Wikimedia in the world. In the last
weekend
has
> been
> > >> hold
> > >> > the
> > >> > > Wikimedia Conference 2017
> > >> > > in Berlin. On this conference was a spacial group organized
from
> > > >> > > Representatives
> > > >> > > for the Movement Strategy Track. I paid great attention
the
> > > conference
> > > >> > > program, but unlike the former practice on the
conference
page
> on
> > > the
> > > >> > meta
> > > >> > > was not e bit information about what happened in this
section.
No
>>
> Ethernet,
>> > > no abstract of presentation, nothing.
>> > >
>> > > I don't understand the new policy of organizers, that the
conference
> >> out
> >> > of
> >> > > the ordinary way was hold in totally confidential or secret
wise.
My
>> > > question this should bee the
new Wikimedia strategy?
>> > >
>> > > Texaner
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