Hi Guillaume,
the conference of course does not exclude individual participants per se,
nor did I ever imply it was in any way planned. However, we saw that the
previous Strategy discussion was kept in a dedicated place (the strategy
wiki), which attracted everybody who wanted to participate, and created a
critical mass where discussions were possible and meaningful, and
eventually were able to produce the strategy document. Currently the
discussions are spread into 20+ projects (formally 300, but most of them
are struggling and are not able to produce any discussion documents). I
understand the idea, that people should be able to discuss in their own
language and from the perspective of their own project, but it turns out
that the critical mass is not assembled - the discussion is not happening,
just some users leave their more or less extended opinions. In addition,
since 100 the most active movement participants had a chance to discuss the
strategy questions in person, they are (most of them are) not interested in
going to the projects and writing anything there. Which means that even
discussion on the biggest projects, where you would normally expect the
critical mass to be available, is not happening either. Which means Track 2
Cycle 1 is likely to produce nothing, and I am not really looking forward
to Cycle 2. I might be wrong, may be there is smth which I do not see
(though I, being an administrator on 4 projects and speaking 7 languages,
would classify myself as a reasonably active Wikimedia participant), but
this is my current perception.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Guillaume Paumier <gpaumier(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Hello Yaroslav,
I'm not sure I understand how including affiliates excludes individual
contributors. There are many avenues for people and groups across the
movement to participate on wikis, in person, in video conference, in
off-wiki online discussions, etc. Anyone is welcome to contribute in
multiple tracks (as individual participant, affiliate member, or both)
and in multiple channels.
There were about 100 participants who attended the whole strategy
track at the conference; surely there are more than 100 people across
the projects who want to voice their opinion on the future of the
movement.
Also, the strategy sessions that were held in Berlin only concerned
"Cycle 1" of the discussion, which will end soon. That first cycle is
very open and exploratory and far from the be-all and end-all of the
movement strategy process. I certainly hope that many people
contribute to cycles 2 and 3 (where the convergence and prioritization
will happen) regardless of whether they were in Berlin.
2017-04-06 13:06 GMT-07:00 Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt(a)gmail.com>om>:
The backside seems to be that those who have been
to the conference feel
no
incentive to participate in the strategy
discussions in the projects, and
these discussions show up as major disappointment (like those on the
English Wikipedia or Wikidata) or do not really interest anybody (at the
Russian Wikivoyage, we compiled a large document, which will likely be
translated to English, moved to Meta and forgotten). Which technically
means that this time, the individual contributors are excluded from
building up the strategy, unless they can do it via chapters and thematic
organizations.
Cheers
Yaroslav
On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Tanel Pern <tanel.pern(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Just to add to this as someone who (also) was at the conference and
> participated in a few of the strategy track sessions, it would have been
> basically impossible to provide any more information than the conference
> website already provides about what took place at this session
beforehand,
> given the extremely open-ended nature of the
discussions. Just as
outlined
> in the session overview [1], the participants
started from basically
> nothing (other than their ideas of what's going to be important in the
next
> 15 years) and ended up formulating a few
dozen thematic statements
> regarding the strategic direction of the movement. Frankly, I'm amazed
it
> worked as well as it did. At the same time,
I'm not at all amazed that
it
> would take time to digitize the materials,
given how many people
> participated in the session and how much paper they consumed :) And
though
> it wouldn't be difficult to publish the
final thematic statements, some
of
> them unfortunately don't make sense
without some background materials.
>
> Just my €0.02,
>
> Tanel
>
>
> [1]
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_
> 2017/Program#Movement_Strategy
>
> 2017-04-06 16:42 GMT+03:00 Guillaume Paumier <gpaumier(a)wikimedia.org>rg>:
>
> > Hello Hajdu,
> >
> > As Chris mentioned, there is a lot of documentation coming from the
> > Wikimedia conference in Berlin. In fact, there is so much
> > documentation that it's going to take the team a few days to digitize
> > and publish everything. You can see some of the notes from related
> > discussions, for example:
> >
> > * The notes from a discussion about movement strategy by contributors
> > from Wikimedia Commons:
> >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> > movement/2017/Sources/Commons_in-person_discussion_at_the_
> > Wikimedia_Conference
> >
> > * The notes from a discussion about movement strategy by the Wikimedia
> > Foundation's Board of Trustees:
> >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_
> movement/2017/Sources/
> > Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees_-_Discussion_at_the_
> > Wikimedia_Conference
> >
> > The rest of the notes, photos, summaries, etc. will be published this
> > week or the next. There was nothing confidential about the sessions,
> > and many participants have shared their work and sessions on Commons (
> >
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_Conference_2017
> > ) and on social media (
> >
https://twitter.com/search?q=wmcon%20strategy&src=typd ).
> >
> > I hope that this reassures you and gives you some materials to look
> > over until we upload everything else.
> >
> >
> > 2017-04-05 0:12 GMT-07:00 Hajdu Kálmán <kalman(a)startadsl.hu>hu>:
> > >
> > > Hi, There is a very active campaign for strategic conversation
defining
> > the
> > > future role of Wikimedia in the world. In the last weekend has been
> hold
> > the
> > > Wikimedia Conference 2017
> > > in Berlin. On this conference was a spacial group organized from
> > > Representatives
> > > for the Movement Strategy Track. I paid great attention the
conference
> > > program, but unlike the former
practice on the conference page on
the
> > meta
> > > was not e bit information about what happened in this section. No
> > Ethernet,
> > > no abstract of presentation, nothing.
> > >
> > > I don't understand the new policy of organizers, that the conference
> out
> > of
> > > the ordinary way was hold in totally confidential or secret wise. My
> > > question this should bee the new Wikimedia strategy?
> > >
> > > Texaner
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