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Jesse Plamondon-Willard

6 Jun 2008 6 Jun '08

9:21 a.m.

Hello, There have been a few requests for board election statistics, so here they are (but no early results). The vote statistics are generated by a public script<http://pathos.ca/tools/wmelections>, and the eligible voter statistics are generated by a private script. The vote statistics will be included in the weekly report from now on, and more extensive statistics can be found on <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pathoschild/Board_elections_statistics>. ==Current votes== 1185 valid votes (plus 97 votes replaced by a later vote, and 3 votes struck by the committee). ===Valid votes by date=== 1 June 2008 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++354 2 June 2008 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++397 3 June 2008 +++++++++++++++++172 4 June 2008 ++++++++++++122 5 June 2008 +++++++++++++134 ===Valid votes by language=== en ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++500 de ++++++++++++++146 he +++++++73 ru ++++++60 es +++++55 zh +++++51 fr ++++48 nl ++++47 mul +++33 it +++32 fi ++25 pl +15 pt 9 cs 8 sr 8 id 7 ar 6 uk 6 no 6 el 6 ko 5 bg 5 ca 4 ja 3 fa 3 sv 3 lt 2 sw 1 jv 1 km 1 la 1 vi 1 hi 1 is 1 nds 1 ro 1 zh_yue 1 bn 1 kk 1 eo 1 hu 1 bar 1 ml 1 zh_classical 1 tl 1 mr 1 ==Eligible voters== ===Number of eligible voters=== * 31900 user accounts meet the edit requirements; * ≈24251 accounts are eligible (neither indefblocked nor bot) and have an email address set; * ≈21804 unique addresses. ===Number of eligible voters by primary language=== en 9108 de 2583 fr 1424 ja 947 it 864 es 861 pl 646 ru 600 nl 498 zh 428 pt 372 sv 323 he 272 fi 227 hu 202 no 166 cs 151 tr 130 ca 100 ko 95 ar 85 da 82 ro 78 uk 72 bg 68 sr 61 fa 60 lt 56 th 56 el 54 hr 49 id 48 eo 42 sk 42 gl 32 et 30 sl 28 is 24 ms 24 nn 22 ka 21 la 21 lv 19 ml 19 bs 17 mk 16 vi 15 eu 14 ta 14 br 13 sq 13 az 12 be_x_old 12 te 12 ur 12 af 11 lb 11 bn 10 oc 10 cy 9 hi 9 vls 8 bar 7 mr 7 an 6 be 6 fy 6 ga 6 ku 6 pms 6 tl 6 uz 6 als 5 ast 5 hy 5 kk 5 kn 5 li 5 scn 5 su 5 yi 5 zh_yue 5 bat_smg 4 mt 4 zh_min_nan 4 cv 3 fo 3 fur 3 ia 3 io 3 nah 3 nds_nl 3 pam 3 rm 3 sh 3 sw 3 tg 3 am 2 ang 2 ba 2 csb 2 diq 2 dv 2 fiu_vro 2 gd 2 glk 2 hsb 2 km 2 mn 2 nap 2 nds 2 ne 2 ps 2 qu 2 si 2 vec 2 vo 2 wuu 2 yo 2 bpy 1 cdo 1 ce 1 ceb 1 co 1 cu 1 eml 1 ext 1 frp 1 gv 1 ht 1 ig 1 ilo 1 iu 1 jv 1 ksh 1 ky 1 lad 1 lij 1 lmo 1 lo 1 mi 1 myv 1 new 1 nov 1 nrm 1 om 1 os 1 pag 1 roa_rup 1 sc 1 sco 1 sd 1 stq 1 to 1 udm 1 wa 1 war 1 wo 1 zea 1 zh_classical 1 <unknown> 251 (only eligible from a multilingual wiki) ==See also== * detailed information: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2008/en> * ask a question: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Board_elections/2008> * previous reports: - April 26 - May 3: <http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/29567> - May 3-10: <http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/29783> - May 10-18: <http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/30134> - May 18-25: <http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/30323> - May 25 - June 04: <http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/30677> -- Yours cordially, Jesse Plamondon-Willard (Pathoschild)

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John Vandenberg

6 Jun 6 Jun

9:31 a.m.

2008/6/6 Jesse Plamondon-Willard <pathoschild(a)gmail.com>om>:

...

Any chance we can see stats grouped by project rather than by language? -- John

Gregory Maxwell

10:27 a.m.

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 9:31 PM, John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

Any chance we can see stats grouped by project rather than by language?

Yes. Well kinda. I quickly re-ran my stats script from last election: http://toolserver.org/~gmaxwell/election_analysis/2008/GRAPH_3_totals.png http://toolserver.org/~gmaxwell/election_analysis/2008/GRAPH_4_turnouts.png My turnout numbers there are of dubious quality at the moment, since I haven't gone through the full effort of making sure I've correctly applied the current criteria. .. also the HTML of the voter list changed.. as a result I haven't bothered generating the full output (http://toolserver.org/~gmaxwell/election_analysis/ivote3/graphs.html).

Jesse Plamondon-Willard

10:38 a.m.

John Vandenberg <jayvdb(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

Any chance we can see stats grouped by project rather than by language?

Nope. ==Votes by project== wikipedia ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++1119 wikinews +17 meta +16 commons +15 wiktionary +13 wikisource 7 wikibooks 6 wikiquote 3 wikiversity 3 mediawiki 1 incubator 1 ==Votes by wiki== en +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++513 de ++++++++++++++146 he +++++++73 ru ++++++60 es +++++56 zh +++++51 fr ++++48 nl ++++47 mul +++33 it +++32 fi ++25 pl +15 pt +10 cs 8 sr 8 el 7 id 7 ar 6 uk 6 no 6 bg 5 ko 5 ca 4 fa 3 ja 3 sv 3 lt 2 jv 1 hi 1 la 1 sw 1 is 1 ro 1 vi 1 km 1 nds 1 zh_yue 1 bn 1 kk 1 eo 1 hu 1 bar 1 ml 1 zh_classical 1 tl 1 mr 1 -- Yours cordially, Jesse Plamondon-Willard (Pathoschild)

Jesse Plamondon-Willard

10:45 a.m.

Oops, this is the correct votes-by-wiki data. ==Votes by wiki== enwiki ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++486 dewiki ++++++++++++++144 hewiki +++++++72 ruwiki +++++59 eswiki +++++54 zhwiki +++++50 nlwiki ++++47 frwiki ++++42 itwiki ++29 fiwiki ++25 metawiki +16 commonswiki +15 plwiki +14 enwikinews +13 ptwiki 9 cswiki 8 srwiki 8 enwiktionary 7 idwiki 7 ukwiki 6 nowiki 6 arwiki 6 elwiki 6 bgwiki 5 kowiki 5 enwikibooks 4 cawiki 3 fawiki 3 jawiki 3 frwikiversity 2 itwikinews 2 svwiki 2 ltwiki 2 enwikisource 2 dewiktionary 1 enwikiversity 1 rowiki 1 swwiki 1 jvwiki 1 incubatorwiki 1 cawikisource 1 mediawikiwiki 1 svwiktionary 1 ndswiki 1 ruwiktionary 1 viwiki 1 frwikisource 1 lawiki 1 hiwiki 1 kkwiki 1 iswiktionary 1 plwikinews 1 ptwikinews 1 kmwiki 1 eswikisource 1 bnwiki 1 eswikiquote 1 tlwiki 1 barwiki 1 frwiktionary 1 frwikibooks 1 hewikisource 1 frwikiquote 1 zh_yuewiki 1 zhwikisource 1 mrwiki 1 huwiki 1 eowiki 1 mlwiki 1 dewikibooks 1 elwiktionary 1 zh_classicalwiki 1 itwikiquote 1 -- Yours cordially, Jesse Plamondon-Willard (Pathoschild)

Andre Engels

1:51 p.m.

2008/6/6 Jesse Plamondon-Willard <pathoschild(a)gmail.com>om>:

...

==Current votes== 1185 valid votes (plus 97 votes replaced by a later vote, and 3 votes struck by the committee).

Can you give an indication as to why these 3 votes were struck?

...

===Valid votes by language===

Turnout by language (top 31 language in number of eligible voters). All numbers are approximate because people could have voted from another than their first language. he 73/272 (26.8%) id 7/48 (14.6%) sr 8/61 (13.1%) zh 51/428 (11.9%) el 6/54 (11.1%) fi 225/227 (11.0%) ru 60/600 (10.0%) nl 47/498 (9.4%) uk 6/72 (8.3%) bg 5/68 (7.4%) ar 6/85 (7.1%) es 55/861 (6.4%) de 146/2583 (5.7%) en 500/9108 (5.5%) cs 8/151 (5.3%) ko 5/95 (5.3%) fa 3/60 (5.0%) ca 4/100 (4.0%) it 32/864 (3.7%) no 6/166 (3.6%) fr 48/1424 (3.4%) pt 9/372 (2.4%) pl 15/646 (2.3%) sv 3/323 (0.9%) hu 1/202 (0.5%) ja 3/947 (0.3%) hr 0/49 (0.0%) th 0/56 (0.0%) ro 0/78 (0.0%) da 0/82 (0.0%) tr 0/130 (0.0%) Total turnout 1185/21804 = 5.4% -- Andre Engels, andreengels(a)gmail.com ICQ: 6260644 -- Skype: a_engels

Mark Ryan

3:26 p.m.

2008/6/6 Andre Engels <andreengels(a)gmail.com>om>:

...

Can you give an indication as to why these 3 votes were struck?

One was a vote by me, to test if voting was actually finally working. Once it worked, I struck it myself. The other two votes were people who voted again from a different wiki, instead of on the same wiki they originally voted on (in which case it would have automatically greyed out/discounted the prior votes). ~Mark Ryan

Andrew Gray

5:16 p.m.

2008/6/6 Jesse Plamondon-Willard <pathoschild(a)gmail.com>om>:

...

Hello, There have been a few requests for board election statistics, so here they are (but no early results).

Somewhat unrelatedly - I got my "remember to vote" email this morning. Glad to see they're going out! -- - Andrew Gray andrew.gray(a)dunelm.org.uk

Joe Szilagyi

8 Jun 8 Jun

1:44 a.m.

2008/6/5 Jesse Plamondon-Willard <pathoschild(a)gmail.com>om>:

...

==Current votes== 1185 valid votes (plus 97 votes replaced by a later vote, and 3 votes struck by the committee).

What qualifies a vote to be struck or discounted? And, how are the users affected thus notified? Are they told why their vote was struck? If not on either of these two, why? - Joe

Casey Brown

2:11 a.m.

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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What qualifies a vote to be struck or discounted? And, how are the users affected thus notified? Are they told why their vote was struck? If not on either of these two, why?

Mark responded to this yesterday: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:26 AM, Mark Ryan <ultrablue(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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2008/6/6 Andre Engels <andreengels(a)gmail.com>om>:

Can you give an indication as to why these 3 votes were struck?

-- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost.

Joe Szilagyi

5:56 a.m.

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi(a)gmail.com> wrote:

What qualifies a vote to be struck or discounted? And, how are the users affected thus notified? Are they told why their

vote

was struck? If not on either of these two, why?

Mark responded to this yesterday:

I noticed that afterwards, sorry. I'm still curious if for some other reason, if votes are struck, if the person whose vote is struck is to be notified? - Joe

Jon Harald Søby

6:52 a.m.

Yes, they are. 2008/6/7 Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi(a)gmail.com>om>:

...

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi(a)gmail.com> wrote:

What qualifies a vote to be struck or discounted? And, how are the users affected thus notified? Are they told why their

vote

was struck? If not on either of these two, why?

Mark responded to this yesterday:

I noticed that afterwards, sorry. I'm still curious if for some other reason, if votes are struck, if the person whose vote is struck is to be notified? - Joe _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Aphaia

6:32 p.m.

I'm a bit concerned Japanese low (lowest ever since 2004) and gave a look to Japanese setting (note: my home wiki is meta and I use English settings for convenience in communications with the other meta regular). I let some Eleccom members the problems I found, but one of them are noted worthy publicly, for warning other language setting problem. So sorry for duplications, if any. Japanese setting says "the Election 2008 is over" and has no instruction of voting method. No mention people are expected to rank candidates. I am amazed three people had voted even in this circumstance... If you are good at your language and English, please check Boardvote:* to see they are rightly translated. (That is partly why I am no big fan of betawiki way: translation out of context is sometimes disastrous confusing .. like the above). On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

Yes, they are. 2008/6/7 Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi(a)gmail.com>om>:

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi(a)gmail.com> wrote:

What qualifies a vote to be struck or discounted? And, how are the users affected thus notified? Are they told why their

vote

was struck? If not on either of these two, why?

Mark responded to this yesterday:

-- Jon Harald Søby http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Gerard Meijssen

7:04 p.m.

Hoi, When you localise in Betawiki, you are provided with messages in English that provide you the context of the message. When you localise outside Betawiki such help is not available. I would argue that you should localise in Betawiki because it helps you with the context. When these messages are missing, it is only because nobody bothered to add them. When you have suggestions to make Betawiki even better, we do welcome them. What we are looking for is more people that contribute to the localisation process, certainly for a big language like Japanese it should be possible not only to do the initial localisation but also to do the proof reading and improve the available localisations. One question, when you found the localisation lacking, you do know how this can be remedied, don't you !?! Thanks, GerardM On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

Yes, they are. 2008/6/7 Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi(a)gmail.com>om>: > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

> > > What qualifies a vote to be struck or discounted? > > > > > > And, how are the users affected thus notified? Are they told why

their

vote > was struck? If not on either of these two, why? Mark responded to this yesterday:

-- KIZU Naoko http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Aphaia

7:16 p.m.

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

Sorry disagree. When I am on Betawiki, I see only English MediaWiki files, not knowing where I will find it on a real wiki. It doesn't give us context.

...

When you have suggestions to make Betawiki even better, we do welcome them. What we are looking for is more people that contribute to the localisation process, certainly for a big language like Japanese it should be possible not only to do the initial localisation but also to do the proof reading and improve the available localisations. One question, when you found the localisation lacking, you do know how this can be remedied, don't you !?!

Why? I see only messages without knowing which MediaWiki file contains that. Why do you think I know something? Thanks,

...

GerardM On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com> wrote:

wrote:

> > > What qualifies a vote to be struck or discounted? > > > > > > And, how are the users affected thus notified? Are they told why

their

> vote > > was struck? If not on either of these two, why? > > Mark responded to this yesterday: > I noticed that afterwards, sorry. I'm still curious if for some other reason, if votes are struck, if the person whose vote is struck is to be notified? - Joe _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Gerard Meijssen

7:35 p.m.

Hoi, Change your language in your user preferences to Japanese and Betawiki is not that English anymore.. When you hit the "Translate" button that can be found in the sidebar, you will go immediately to the Japanese translation track. The Betawiki software itself has been locaised into Japanese.. Betawiki IS a real MediaWiki wiki so it gives you context. I fail to see your point. The MediaWiki messages pop up from within the software.. The annotations help understand the context. Without these annotations localisation is indeed much more difficult and it is this what is offered in Betawiki only. Once the localisation is done, the message do become available everywhere, another advantage that you have nowhere else.. As all other projects, the localisation at Betawiki is done by well meaning volunteers. We are happy with the work that is done but this does not imply that it is as good as we would like to have it. To illustrate this point look at the "group statistics" and you will notice how much work still needs to be done for a first time. You will notice how much work needs to be done for Japanese... When you state that the quality is not good enough for Japanese, I will be the last to deny this. I will however be among the people that will implore you to do the wiki thing and fix it. Thanks, GerardM http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

localise

in Betawiki because it helps you with the context. When these messages

are

missing, it is only because nobody bothered to add them.

Sorry disagree. When I am on Betawiki, I see only English MediaWiki files, not knowing where I will find it on a real wiki. It doesn't give us context.

When you have suggestions to make Betawiki even better, we do welcome

them.

What we are looking for is more people that contribute to the

localisation

process, certainly for a big language like Japanese it should be possible not only to do the initial localisation but also to do the proof reading

and

improve the available localisations. One question, when you found the localisation lacking, you do know how

this

can be remedied, don't you !?!

Why? I see only messages without knowing which MediaWiki file contains that. Why do you think I know something? Thanks,

GerardM On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm a bit concerned Japanese low (lowest ever since 2004) and gave a > look to Japanese setting (note: my home wiki is meta and I use English > settings for convenience in communications with the other meta > regular). > > I let some Eleccom members the problems I found, but one of them are > noted worthy publicly, for warning other language setting problem. So > sorry for duplications, if any. > > Japanese setting says "the Election 2008 is over" and has no > instruction of voting method. No mention people are expected to rank > candidates. I am amazed three people had voted even in this > circumstance... > > If you are good at your language and English, please check Boardvote:* > to see they are rightly translated. > > (That is partly why I am no big fan of betawiki way: translation out > of context is sometimes disastrous confusing .. like the above). > > On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

> > Yes, they are. > > > > 2008/6/7 Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi(a)gmail.com>om>: > > > >> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml@

gmail.com>

> >> wrote: > >> > >> > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > > What qualifies a vote to be struck or discounted? > >> > > > >> > > And, how are the users affected thus notified? Are they told why > their > >> > vote > >> > > was struck? If not on either of these two, why? > >> > > >> > Mark responded to this yesterday: > >> > > >> > >> > >> I noticed that afterwards, sorry. I'm still curious if for some other > >> reason, if votes are struck, if the person whose vote is struck is to

> >> notified? > >> > >> - Joe > >> _______________________________________________ > >> foundation-l mailing list > >> foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe:

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

> >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Jon Harald Søby > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe:

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Aphaia

9:08 p.m.

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

True and what is it relevant for me to find which media wiki message contains a particular message on a wiki? How many minites or hours should I afford? I think I know the better way to spend my time. Thanks. The Betawiki software itself has been locaised into Japanese..

...

Betawiki IS a real MediaWiki wiki so it gives you context. I fail to see your point. The MediaWiki messages pop up from within the software.. The annotations help understand the context. Without these annotations localisation is indeed much more difficult and it is this what is offered in Betawiki only. Once the localisation is done, the message do become available everywhere, another advantage that you have nowhere else.. As all other projects, the localisation at Betawiki is done by well meaning volunteers. We are happy with the work that is done but this does not imply that it is as good as we would like to have it. To illustrate this point look at the "group statistics" and you will notice how much work still needs to be done for a first time. You will notice how much work needs to be done for Japanese... When you state that the quality is not good enough for Japanese, I will be the last to deny this. I will however be among the people that will implore you to do the wiki thing and fix it. Thanks, GerardM http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

localise

in Betawiki because it helps you with the context. When these messages

are

missing, it is only because nobody bothered to add them.

Sorry disagree. When I am on Betawiki, I see only English MediaWiki files, not knowing where I will find it on a real wiki. It doesn't give us context.

When you have suggestions to make Betawiki even better, we do welcome

them.

What we are looking for is more people that contribute to the

localisation

process, certainly for a big language like Japanese it should be possible not only to do the initial localisation but also to do the proof reading

and

improve the available localisations. One question, when you found the localisation lacking, you do know how

this

can be remedied, don't you !?!

Why? I see only messages without knowing which MediaWiki file contains that. Why do you think I know something? Thanks,

wrote:

> > Yes, they are. > > > > 2008/6/7 Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi(a)gmail.com>om>: > > > >> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml@

gmail.com>

> >> notified? > >> > >> - Joe > >> _______________________________________________ > >> foundation-l mailing list > >> foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe:

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

> -- KIZU Naoko http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Gerard Meijssen

9:23 p.m.

Hoi, There are two two groups of messages.. there are the "MediaWiki messages" and there are the "All extensions" messages. This is where you find your message. It is not that difficult to find something .. Now, spending some minutes or hours on Betawiki helps everyone who speaks your language this is why it is time well spend. Thanks, GerardM On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com> wrote:

...

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

only.

Once the localisation is done, the message do become available

everywhere,

another advantage that you have nowhere else.. As all other projects, the localisation at Betawiki is done by well

meaning

volunteers. We are happy with the work that is done but this does not

imply

that it is as good as we would like to have it. To illustrate this point look at the "group statistics" and you will notice how much work still

needs

to be done for a first time. You will notice how much work needs to be

done

for Japanese... When you state that the quality is not good enough for Japanese, I will be the last to deny this. I will however be among the people that will implore you to do the wiki thing and fix it. Thanks, GerardM http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Group_statistics On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Gerard Meijssen > <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hoi, > > When you localise in Betawiki, you are provided with messages in

English

> > that provide you the context of the message. When you localise outside > > Betawiki such help is not available. I would argue that you should > localise > > in Betawiki because it helps you with the context. When these messages > are > > missing, it is only because nobody bothered to add them. > > Sorry disagree. When I am on Betawiki, I see only English MediaWiki > files, not knowing where I will find it on a real wiki. It doesn't > give us context. > > > > When you have suggestions to make Betawiki even better, we do welcome > them. > > > > What we are looking for is more people that contribute to the > localisation > > process, certainly for a big language like Japanese it should be

possible

> > not only to do the initial localisation but also to do the proof

reading

> and > > improve the available localisations. > > > > One question, when you found the localisation lacking, you do know how > this > > can be remedied, don't you !?! > > Why? I see only messages without knowing which MediaWiki file contains > that. Why do you think I know something? > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I'm a bit concerned Japanese low (lowest ever since 2004) and gave a > >> look to Japanese setting (note: my home wiki is meta and I use

English

> >> settings for convenience in communications with the other meta > >> regular). > >> > >> I let some Eleccom members the problems I found, but one of them are > >> noted worthy publicly, for warning other language setting problem. So > >> sorry for duplications, if any. > >> > >> Japanese setting says "the Election 2008 is over" and has no > >> instruction of voting method. No mention people are expected to rank > >> candidates. I am amazed three people had voted even in this > >> circumstance... > >> > >> If you are good at your language and English, please check

Boardvote:*

> >> to see they are rightly translated. > >> > >> (That is partly why I am no big fan of betawiki way: translation out > >> of context is sometimes disastrous confusing .. like the above). > >> > >> On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 7:52 AM, Jon Harald Søby <jhsoby(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > Yes, they are. > >> > > >> > 2008/6/7 Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi(a)gmail.com>om>: > >> > > >> >> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml@ > gmail.com> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Joe Szilagyi <

szilagyi(a)gmail.com>

> >> wrote: > >> >> > > What qualifies a vote to be struck or discounted? > >> >> > > > >> >> > > And, how are the users affected thus notified? Are they told

why

> >> their > >> >> > vote > >> >> > > was struck? If not on either of these two, why? > >> >> > > >> >> > Mark responded to this yesterday: > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I noticed that afterwards, sorry. I'm still curious if for some

other

> >> >> reason, if votes are struck, if the person whose vote is struck is

> be > >> >> notified? > >> >> > >> >> - Joe > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> foundation-l mailing list > >> >> foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> >> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Jon Harald Søby > >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > foundation-l mailing list > >> > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> KIZU Naoko > >> http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) > >> Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> foundation-l mailing list > >> foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe:

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9:46 p.m.

Finding the right message can take for ever if you don't know the right way. I'll write a small tutorial on how to do that next week (I'll be on a military exercise this week unfortunately), and then you'll know how to do it. :-) 2008/6/8, Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com>om>:

...

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Jun 8, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

localise

in Betawiki because it helps you with the context. When these messages

are

missing, it is only because nobody bothered to add them.

Sorry disagree. When I am on Betawiki, I see only English MediaWiki files, not knowing where I will find it on a real wiki. It doesn't give us context.

When you have suggestions to make Betawiki even better, we do welcome

them.

What we are looking for is more people that contribute to the

localisation

process, certainly for a big language like Japanese it should be possible not only to do the initial localisation but also to do the proof reading

and

improve the available localisations. One question, when you found the localisation lacking, you do know how

this

can be remedied, don't you !?!

Why? I see only messages without knowing which MediaWiki file contains that. Why do you think I know something? Thanks,

wrote:

> > Yes, they are. > > > > 2008/6/7 Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi(a)gmail.com>om>: > > > >> On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml@

gmail.com>

> >> wrote: > >> > >> > On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 1:44 PM, Joe Szilagyi <szilagyi(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > > What qualifies a vote to be struck or discounted? > >> > > > >> > > And, how are the users affected thus notified? Are they told > >> > > why > their > >> > vote > >> > > was struck? If not on either of these two, why? > >> > > >> > Mark responded to this yesterday: > >> > > >> > >> > >> I noticed that afterwards, sorry. I'm still curious if for some > >> other > >> reason, if votes are struck, if the person whose vote is struck is > >> to

> >> notified? > >> > >> - Joe > >> _______________________________________________ > >> foundation-l mailing list > >> foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe:

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> > > > > > -- > KIZU Naoko > http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) > Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Kwan Ting Chan

11:34 p.m.

On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 15:46 +0200, Jon Harald Søby wrote:

...

I'll echo that, especially for someone that's new to Betawiki. Before the election, when I was modifying BoardVote, I knew Betawiki was providing localisation to the extension, but for the life of me, I could not find where on the website one actually modify those localisation for this (or any) particular extension. Only when someone provided a direct link to it could I find it. KTC p.s. For the initial caused of the translation error. The translation had already been updated at Betawiki by the time it was bought to the attention of the election committee. We're just waiting for those updates from Betawiki to propagate through. -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine

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Andre Engels
Andrew Gray
Aphaia
Casey Brown
Gerard Meijssen
Gregory Maxwell
Jesse Plamondon-Willard
Joe Szilagyi
John Vandenberg
Jon Harald Søby
Kwan Ting Chan
Mark Ryan