Gerard, I feel like you are basically describing the role of the Wikimedia Blog. Is that incorrect? Joe On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 at 11:35 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I agree with Ziko. Gerard, please believe us, even if you don't perceive it yourself, that your aggressive language, however well-intentioned, is counterproductive, and is keeping others from engaging with you, or even engaging on the list in general. A. On Jun 30, 2016 4:22 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Gerard, Please don't fall back on the "ends justify the means" argument here. There were many, many other ways to call attention to this problem. You chose a way that was needlessly aggressive and accusatory. You didn't have to. Here is how I would have done it with only minor changes to what you wrote: Hi folks, At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The article for one of them and the data at Wikidata are somewhat lacking, and I think we can work together to put them in better shape given the recognition they received. The article is a one liner stub, and the Wikidata item had no statements and I added the few that were minimally needed. I've gotten started by adding some material, but any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance, Jethro PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it when they get some proper attention. The results would have been the same, and perhaps you would have even gotten more engagement and better content from folks watching this list. - Jethro Chris "Jethro" Schilling I JethroBT (WMF) <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:I_JethroBT_(WMF)> Community Organizer, Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 12:55 PM, Gerard Meijssen &lt;gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com > Hoi, > Maybe but both the article and the data have improved considerably. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 30 June 2016 at 15:37, Asaf Bartov &lt;abartov(a)wikimedia.org> > > I agree with Ziko. > > > > Gerard, please believe us, even if you don't perceive it yourself, that > > your aggressive language, however well-intentioned, is counterproductive, > > and is keeping others from engaging with you, or even engaging on the > list > > in general. > > > > A. > > On Jun 30, 2016 4:22 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" &lt;gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt; > > > > > > Hoi, > > > Yes that is incorrect. There is a Wikipedia article, it is one line > and I > > > have the distinct feeling that it is incorrect. > > > Thanks, > > > GerardM > > > > > > On 30 June 2016 at 13:07, Joseph Fox &lt;josephfoxwiki(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > Gerard, I feel like you are basically describing the role of the > > > Wikimedia > > > > Blog. Is that incorrect? > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > On Thu, 30 Jun 2016 at 11:35 Gerard Meijssen < > > gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com&gt; > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > Wikipedia is not my thing. I hardly ever write on articles. The > > article > > > > > states that Rosie wrote 1000 articles.. Hardly an argument why she > > > > became a > > > > > Wikipedian of the year. > > > > > > > > > > The other aspect I give attention to is that we are REALLY bad at > > > doing a > > > > > good job for our own. There is a lot that is uncontroversial that > can > > > be > > > > > added. It it the least that can be done to indicate why she is a > > > > Wikipedian > > > > > of the year. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > On 30 June 2016 at 12:05, Erik Zachte &lt;ezachte(a)wikimedia.org&gt; > > > > > > > > > > > Gerard, feel free to follow-up on your call to action with more > > > action. > > > > > > > > > > > > Erik Zachte > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto: > wikimedia-l-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] > > > On > > > > > > Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:38 > > > > > > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > > > > > > Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Rosie Stephenson-Goodknight > > > > > > > > > > > > Hoi, > > > > > > > > > > > > At Wikimania two wikipedians of the year were elected. The > article > > > for > > > > > one > > > > > > of them and the data at Wikidata are pathetic. > > > > > > > > > > > > The article is a one liner stub. The Wikidata item had no > > statements > > > > and > > > > > I > > > > > > added the few that were minimally needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > I find it incredible that we take no care of our own even when > they > > > are > > > > > > obviously notable. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > GerardM > > > > > > > > > > > > PS I have not looked at any of the others and I would welcome it > > when > > > > > they > > > > > > get some proper attention. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.nl/2016/06/wikipedia-wikipedian-of-year-ros… > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > New messages to: Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >